Is there a program which can find the impedance of different geometries?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding software that can accurately calculate the impedance of various geometrical shapes of traces at low frequencies, specifically between 1 - 20 kHz. Participants explore the challenges associated with existing tools and the nature of the impedance being investigated.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks software like Sonnet that performs well at low frequencies but notes that Sonnet's data is often unreliable in this range.
  • Another participant points out that at low frequencies, lumped parameters are more relevant than distributed parameters, suggesting that impedance is influenced by lumped capacitance, inductance, and leakage.
  • A participant clarifies that they are interested in calculating not just capacitance and inductance, but also resistance, and describes the impedance as a discrete one with a complex shape, making manual calculations challenging.
  • A suggestion is made to consider Ansoft's EM simulation software, which has a free student version that might meet the original participant's needs.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the appropriate software and methods for calculating impedance, indicating that multiple competing approaches and tools are being considered without a clear consensus on the best solution.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the limitations of existing software at low frequencies and the complexity of the geometries involved, which may affect the accuracy of impedance calculations.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in electromagnetic simulation, impedance calculations, and those working with low-frequency electronic designs may find this discussion relevant.

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I'm basically looking for something like Sonnet which performs well at low frequencies.

I'm trying to investigate the impedance of different shaped traces at frequencies of around 1 - 20 kHz. At such low frequencies, Sonnet's response data is usually garbage.

The trace under investigation is placed on a substrate, but the ground is not included on it. It is more closely related to a simple discrete resistor.

Thanks
 
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At such low frequencies, you are dealing with lumped parameters, not distributed. The impedance is determined by the lumped capacitance and inductance, as well as any leakage. Are you just wanting to calculate the capacitance and inductance of the traces?
 
...and resistance, yes. In sum, a Z parameter would be nice. Perhaps I should have been a bit more careful...its not really a trace between two other components on a PCB or anything. Think of it as a discrete impedance. It is of a more complex shape, however, so doing calculations by hand would be difficult.
 

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