Is there a relation between log and arcs for complex numbers?

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The discussion revolves around the potential relationships between logarithmic functions and inverse trigonometric and hyperbolic functions for complex numbers. Participants explore whether there exists a general expression that connects these mathematical concepts, focusing on both theoretical and exploratory aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if there are formulas relating exponential functions to sine and cosine, similar relationships should exist for logarithmic functions and arcsine, arccosine, and their hyperbolic counterparts.
  • One participant notes that logarithms are inherently part of the definitions of arcsinh and arccosh, suggesting a connection.
  • Another participant expresses a desire to find a general expression that combines sine and cosine with logarithmic functions, indicating that this is not straightforward.
  • A participant seeks to express log(x) in terms of arcsinh(x) and arccosh(x), although they acknowledge that their initial expression is incorrect.
  • One response suggests a specific expression involving arcsinh and arcsin, noting that it holds under certain conditions (0 < x) but could be extended to complex numbers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the existence of a general expression relating logarithmic and inverse trigonometric functions. Multiple competing views and approaches are presented, with some participants clarifying and refining their questions and ideas.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the clarity of some questions, as well as the dependence on specific definitions and conditions for the proposed relationships. The discussion includes attempts to derive expressions that may not hold universally.

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If there is a formula relating the exponential with sine and cosine normal and hyperbolic (exp(ix) = cos(x) + i sin(x), exp(x) = cosh(x) + sinh(x)), there is also a formula relating the logarithm with arcsin, arccos, and arcsinh arccosh?
 
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But, But I wonder if there is a general expression that combines the sine the cosine (hyperbolic or no) of one side of the equality with the logarithm, in other side of the equality...
 
Are you talking about expressing sin(x) and cos(x) in terms of log(x)? Your question is not very clear.
 
Sorry. I'm talking about an expression of log(x) in terms of arcsinh(x) and arcosh(x).
 
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You mean ln (e^x) = x and ln (e^ix) = ix? I'm sorry, I'm not following your question.
 
I apologize too, because my English is primitive...

I'm trying to say that if you can combine sine and cosine to express the exponential, then it should also be possible to combine and arcsin arccos to express the logarithm. But this combination is not so simple ... I tried to add and multiply arcsineh(x) with arccosh(x), I tried to combine they by arithmetic and geometric mean, I tried to break log(x) on even and odd function. I've tried several things, but I was not able to find a true expression.

I look for an expression as log(x) = arccosh(x) + arcsinh(x). This expression is false, but it is close of the genuine.
 
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Do you mean

$$\log(x)=\mathrm{arcsinh} \left( \frac{x^2-1}{2x} \right)=\imath \arcsin \left( \frac{x^2-1}{2 \imath x} \right)$$

This only holds for 0<x
but similar expressions can be used for x complex
 

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