Relation between inverse trigonometric function

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationships between inverse trigonometric functions and their hyperbolic counterparts. Participants explore various proposed equations and seek to clarify the correctness of these relationships, focusing on theoretical aspects and mathematical definitions.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a relationship between arc-functions and hyperbolic arc-functions, questioning its correctness.
  • Another participant challenges the validity of one of the proposed relationships, suggesting it is incorrect and asking for the correct form.
  • A subsequent reply proposes a corrected relationship for the second equation and references the original source for verification.
  • Further contributions attempt to derive additional relationships between the functions, with one participant listing several proposed equations.
  • Concerns are raised regarding branch cuts and the definitions of analytic continuations, highlighting the complexity of establishing these relationships.
  • One participant provides a method to derive a specific relationship between the inverse circular and hyperbolic functions, demonstrating a detailed mathematical approach.
  • Another participant expresses confusion and seeks clarification on the complete list of relationships.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correctness of specific relationships, with no consensus reached on the validity of all proposed equations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the complete and correct list of relationships.

Contextual Notes

Participants note issues related to branch cuts and the need for clear definitions of the analytic continuations of the inverse functions, which complicate the discussion.

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Jhenrique said:
This relationship is correct?
The second one is incorrect, and the other two are obvious.
 
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D H said:
The second one is incorrect, and the other two are obvious.

And which is the correct form for the second?
Also, where can I find a full list (and correct)?
 
Hey man, you'll let me in the doubt!?
 
Jhenrique said:
And which is the correct form for the second?
Also, where can I find a full list (and correct)?

cosh(ix) = cos(x)

therefore:

arcosh(x) = i arccos(x)

It's in the link you provided in the first post. You transcribed it incorrectly, that is all.

All you need to prove the others is:

sinh(ix) = i sin(x) and
tanh(ix) = i tan(x)

Give it a go, if can't work it out - ask again.
 
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So, following your ideia, I got:

asin(x) = -i asinh(+i x)
acos(x) = -i acosh( x)
atan(x) = -i atanh(+i x)
acot(x) = -i acoth(-i x)
asec(x) = -i asech( x)
acsc(x) = -i acsch(-i x)

asinh(x) = -i asin(+i x)
acosh(x) = -i acos( x)
atanh(x) = -i atan(+i x)
acoth(x) = -i acot(-i x)
asech(x) = -i asec( x)
acsch(x) = -i acsc(-i x)

Correct?
 

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I started with

sin(z) = -i sinh(iz) (1)

and I applied the arcsin for get z

arcsin(sin(z)) = z

So I realized that z should appears in the right side of equation (1) and the way this happen is aplying -i arcsinh(ix) in the right side, so:

arcsin(sin(z)) = - i arcsinh(i · -i sinh(iz)) = - i arcsinh(sinh(iz)) = -i·iz = z
 
Jhenrique said:
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acosh(x) = -i acos( x)

Check this one.
 
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And that one is not correct with many definitions of inverse hyperbolic cosine and inverse cosine.

Jhenrique, you are ignoring the problems of branch cuts. You have not even defined your definitions of the analytic continuations of the inverse functions. There are many choices; infinitely many. What choices have you made?
 
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D H said:
And that one is not correct with many definitions of inverse hyperbolic cosine and inverse cosine.

Jhenrique, you are ignoring the problems of branch cuts. You have not even defined your definitions of the analytic continuations of the inverse functions. There are many choices; infinitely many. What choices have you made?

1st I was trying undertand how create the relation between arc functions and arc functions hyp...

craigi said:
acosh(x) = -i acos( x)
Check this one.

x = cos(z) = cosh(iz)

acosh(cosh(iz)) = -i acos(cos(z))

iz = -iz ...

hummm
the formula worked for x = cosh(z) = cosh(iz)

So, which are the correct relations?
 
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Jhenrique said:
x = cos(z) = cosh(iz)

acosh(cosh(iz)) = -i acos(cos(z))

iz = -iz ...

No, this is obviously wrong. If you end up with a mathematical absurdity like ##x = -x## for nonzero ##x##, you've made a mistake.

If you want to go from ##\cos z = \cosh iz## to a relationship between the inverse circular and hyperbolic functions, here's one way to proceed:

Put ##iz = \cosh^{-1} x##, where ##z = \frac{1}{i}\cosh^{-1} x = -i\cosh^{-1} x##.

Then the RHS becomes ##x##. The LHS is ##\cos(-i\cosh^{-1}x)##.

You now have ##\cos(-i\cosh^{-1}x) = x##. Take the inverse cosine on both sides and you end up with

##-i\cosh^{-1} x = \cos^{-1}(x)##

Multiply both sides by ##i## to get:

##\cosh^{-1} x = i\cos^{-1}(x)##

which is the exact relationship mentioned in the Italian Wiki page.
 
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So, how would be the complete list?
 

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