Is There a Typo in Willard's Definition of an Ordered Pair?

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The discussion revolves around a problem from Willard's General Topology concerning the definition of an ordered pair. The original poster questions the accuracy of the definition provided in the text, suggesting it may contain a typo that affects the logical structure of the problem.

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  • Participants explore the definition of the ordered pair and its implications, questioning whether the original definition is correct or if it contains errors. Some participants attempt to clarify the definition by suggesting an alternative formulation and discussing the implications of equality between sets.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the definition's validity, with some participants expressing agreement that a typo may exist. Guidance has been offered regarding the implications of the definition, but no consensus has been reached on the nature of the error.

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Participants note that the definition as presented in the book seems inconsistent, leading to confusion about the intended meaning. References to external sources are made to support their claims about the definition.

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Homework Statement


Show that, if (x1, x2) is defined to be {{x1. {x1, y2}}, then (x1, x2) = (y1, y2) iff x1 = x2 and y1 = y2.

This is from Willard's General Topology, problem 1C.

I think Willard is trying to develop the set theoretic definition of the ordered pair, but this doesn't seem correct to me... In particular, it seems like we should be showing x1 = y1, etc. Is this is a gigantic typo or are we trying to show something completely different than what I'm assuming? In fact, even the definition seems to be wrong looking at http://planetmath.org/encyclopedia/OrderedPair.html . Note that I copied this exactly from the book.
 
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malicx said:

Homework Statement


Show that, if (x1, x2) is defined to be {{x1. {x1, y2}}, then (x1, x2) = (y1, y2) iff x1 = x2 and y1 = y2.

Do you mean

[tex](x_1, x_2)[/tex] is defined to be [tex]\{x_1, \{x_1, x_2\}\}[/tex]?

If so, that definition seems fine. One direction is trivial: if [itex]x_1 = x_2[/itex] and [itex]y_1 = y_2[/itex] then clearly [itex](x_1, x_2) = (y_1, y_2)[/itex].

Conversely, if [itex](x_1, x_2) = (y_1, y_2)[/itex] then by definition

[tex]\{x_1, \{x_1, x_2\}\} = \{y_1, \{y_1, y_2\}\}[/tex]

Each set has two elements, and the elements are of different types: a singleton and a set of two elements. What does equality imply?
 
jbunniii said:
Do you mean

[tex](x_1, x_2)[/tex] is defined to be [tex]\{x_1, \{x_1, x_2\}\}[/tex]?

If so, that definition seems fine. One direction is trivial: if [itex]x_1 = x_2[/itex] and [itex]y_1 = y_2[/itex] then clearly [itex](x_1, x_2) = (y_1, y_2)[/itex].

Conversely, if [itex](x_1, x_2) = (y_1, y_2)[/itex] then by definition

[tex]\{x_1, \{x_1, x_2\}\} = \{y_1, \{y_1, y_2\}\}[/tex]

Each set has two elements, and the elements are of different types: a singleton and a set. What does equality imply?
I know how to prove it given that definition. I copied it exactly from the book. Take a look here, it's on page 13 http://books.google.com/books?id=-o...&resnum=3&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false.
 
jbunniii said:
Yes, I agree it's a typo. The definition makes no sense with [itex]y_2[/itex] instead of [itex]x_2[/itex].

Haha that's quite frustrating. I've found other typos in the book as well, and people seem to be praising it. I guess I'll just be extra careful
 

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