Is there a way to reduce no load power in a wireless cell phone charger?

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The discussion centers around the challenge of reducing no load power consumption in a wireless cell phone charger circuit. Participants explore various methods to minimize power draw when no phone is connected, including circuit design considerations and sensing mechanisms.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses the need to stop the circuit from drawing power when no phone is connected, specifically seeking ways to reduce no load power.
  • Another participant humorously suggests that without circuit details, a "few pieces of garlic" might be as effective as any solution.
  • Several participants propose that the charger should sense when a phone is placed on it to activate charging.
  • A suggestion is made to implement a timer that keeps the circuit in standby mode, waking it up periodically to check for a phone's presence via back EMF detection.
  • Concerns are raised about the open-loop operation of the circuit, which may lead to overheating components due to continuous power draw regardless of load.
  • One participant recommends using PWM with feedback to reduce power draw when no load is detected, and mentions resources for DC to DC converter ICs that could be useful.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of managing charging current to protect the battery when it is full, indicating that assumptions about battery behavior may need to be revisited.
  • Participants inquire about the frequency of oscillation and charging current, with one participant providing specific values of 170 kHz and 100-200 mA.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to reduce no load power consumption, but multiple competing views and approaches remain regarding the best methods to achieve this. The discussion includes both technical suggestions and humorous remarks, indicating a mix of serious inquiry and light-hearted engagement.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the circuit's design details, such as effective resistance in the coil and the implications of open-loop operation. There are also unresolved questions about battery charging behavior and the specifics of implementing proposed solutions.

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Hey guys, I've been building a circuit for a wireless cell phone charger. It's nearly completed but I don't know how to stop the circuit from drawing any power from its source when the phone is not 'connected'. It actually draws more power when it's not. How do I go about creating a circuit to fix this?

EDIT: Not vampire power. I need to know how to reduce no load power.
 
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A few pieces of garlic!:smile:

Seriously, we don't know anything about your circuit! you need to post your circuit so we can look at. Short of this, a few pieces of garlic might work just as well!
 
You want the charger to sense when the phone is placed on it correct?
 
It seems to me that a timer would suit your needs. Spend most of your time in "stand by" with your excitation off, but the timer running. Then, upon wake up of the timer, actuate your excitation source and look for signs of back EMF from your load. If your BEMF detector spies a phone, then disable the timer.
Even if you come up only once a second to check, the hesitation will be unnoticeable to anyone not familiar with it.
 
Averagesupernova said:
You want the charger to sense when the phone is placed on it correct?

Exactly.

Garlic solution is hilarious lol.

@Mike In Plano - I'll see how a timer works out. Even 1s checks would work much better than no checks at all!

Oh, here's a circuit schematic attached.

*BTW, does the simulator account for effective resistance in a coil?
 

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What is your frequency of oscillation and how much is your charging current?
 
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You are running open loop, with a set pulse width. You are pumping and pumping with a square wave with close to 50% duty cycle regardless of the load! The transformer or the transistor must be getting hot when nothing plug into it. You need a PWM with feedback so when you don't have a load, the pulse width becomes so low you don't draw power!

Look into Linear Technology site, they have small, cheap DC to DC converter IC that you can build a circuit from. They might not be 100% oscillation free, but for charging cell phone, don't worry about it.

BTW, You missed one very important thing, you need to reduce the current charging to protect the battery when it is full. I am not familiar with battery charging, someone here with experience can give you advice on this.
 
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yungman said:
You are running open loop, with a set pulse width. You are pumping and pumping with a square wave with close to 50% duty cycle regardless of the load! The transformer or the transistor must be getting hot when nothing plug into it. You need a PWM with feedback so when you don't have a load, the pulse width becomes so low you don't draw power!

Look into Linear Technology site, they have small, cheap DC to DC converter IC that you can build a circuit from. They might not be 100% oscillation free, but for charging cell phone, don't worry about it.

BTW, You missed one very important thing, you need to reduce the current charging to protect the battery when it is full. I am not familiar with battery charging, someone here with experience can give you advice on this.

Thanks for the reply, I looked into reducing the current charging when the battery is full. My team had assumed that the battery would not accept anymore current when it is full. I found some answers that seem to make sense here:
http://physics.stackexchange.com/qu...harged-battery-when-you-continue-to-charge-it
 
skeptic2 said:
What is your frequency of oscillation and how much is your charging current?

Frequency is 170 kHz and I'm charging at 100 - 200 mA
 

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