Creating a Cell Phone Charger from Batteries: Understanding the Process

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the process of creating a cell phone charger from batteries, specifically using an Altoids tin and two 9V batteries. Participants explore the technical aspects of voltage requirements, battery configurations, and the functioning of USB connections in relation to charging a phone.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to understand the underlying processes of charging a phone with batteries, noting concerns about voltage and current requirements.
  • Another participant suggests that the phone does not respond to the 9V battery because the voltage is too small for the sensors to detect.
  • A different participant counters that 9V is too high for typical phone chargers, which usually supply 5V, and recommends using a battery pack that provides 5V ± 0.5V.
  • There is a mention of the importance of using the correct wires in the USB cable, indicating that the outer wires are for power supply while the inner wires are for data.
  • One participant warns that applying 9V or higher directly to the phone could risk damaging it unless there is protective circuitry in place.
  • Another participant notes that while USB 3.1 specifications may include higher voltages, the final version has not been published and no devices have been marketed yet.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the voltage requirements for charging a phone, with some asserting that 9V is too high while others suggest it may be too low. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal battery configuration and the correct voltage for charging.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the specific phone model being used and its charging requirements, as well as the potential risks associated with over-voltage. The discussion also reflects uncertainty about the compatibility of different USB specifications.

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Hi, I'm currently working on a project: I'm trying to make a cell phone charger from an Altoids tin and batteries. I know there are countless tutorials out there, but I want to understand why everything happens and how it works. I'm getting to each problem individually, so that I can find a solution for that specific problem and understand what's going on. I have two 9V batteries I want to connect to a female USB end, then connect a USB charging cable from the phone to the batteries. I'm using an old phone, so I don't mind accidentally screwing it up, I'm just worried about getting the power to the phone initially; and then I'm worried about getting the correct voltage and amps to the phone.

Thus far, a single 9V battery connected to the phone via the USB circuit does not cause the phone to respond. Why is this?

Also, would any other battery combination be more efficient, and for what reason?

Thanks in advance for any attempted assistance.
 
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The phone does not respond to the 9v battery because the voltage is to small for the sensors to pickup
 
Jason49 said:
The phone does not respond to the 9v battery because the voltage is to small for the sensors to pickup

I don't think so, considering all the cellphone chargers that I am aware of supply 5V

9V is too high

Regenrok. try again with a battery pack that will supply 5V Plus or minus 0.5V

and did you use the correct wires in the USB cable ?
The outer 2 wires are the 5V supply wires, the inner 2 are the data wires

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davenn said:
Try again with a battery pack that will supply 5V Plus or minus 0.5V

Indeed. USB ports always supply 5V.

If you apply 9V (or 18V) directly to the phone, you are hoping there is something in the phone to protect against the over-voltage.

(For completeness, the USB 3.1 specification does include higher voltages and currents, but it also uses a different connector. AFAIK the final version of the spec has not yet been published and so far no USB3.1 devices have been marketed.)
 

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