Is there is any change in time period if it is done inside accelerating lift?

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The discussion revolves around the effects of an accelerating lift on the time period of oscillations for different systems, including a floating block in water, a spring, and a pendulum. The original poster presents a problem involving simple harmonic motion (SHM) and questions whether the time period changes when these systems are subjected to acceleration.

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  • Mixed

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the time period for the floating block in water and questions the impact of the lift's acceleration on the time periods of both a spring and a pendulum. Some participants question the assumptions made regarding the constant acceleration of the lift.

Discussion Status

Participants have provided feedback on the original poster's reasoning, with some affirming the correctness of the answers given. There is an acknowledgment of potential errors in textbooks, and the discussion appears to be exploring different interpretations of the effects of acceleration on oscillatory motion.

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There is mention of the assumption that the lift's acceleration is constant, and the original poster expresses uncertainty about their calculations, inviting corrections. The discussion also touches on the importance of small amplitudes in oscillation for the floating block scenario.

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Homework Statement



Q1> there is a cube like jar of water kept at the surface of a lift which is moving with an acceleration of a in upward direction. jar is filled with water. There is a cubical block of wood floating on it's surface. It is slightly pressed and released. find the time period of the Simple harmonic motion.(viscosity of liquid is zero)

Q2> A spring is attached to ceiling in lift will it's time period(of oscillations) change with acceletation of life(I think no).

Q3>A pendulum is attached to ceiling will it's time period vary with acceleration.(I think yes T=2πsqrt(l/g))

After all i come to conclusion that "it is mixed one. I mean if it is inside a lift it may or may not have same time period as it had"

Homework Equations



Archimedes principle and Simple equations of SHM.

The Attempt at a Solution



let me say after slight push it's mean position is displaced by x0.
After a distance x below x0 net force acting on the wooden block is dAx(g+a).
here d is density A is base area of block and g is acceleration due to gravity.
F=dAx(g+a) =mω2x (m is mass of block)
from here T(time period)=2πdqrt(m/[dA(g+a)] ).

IF i am wrong somewhere then please alert me.

(recently updated to firefox 9. it is not responding to spelling mistake so if i have done any mistake then please ignore that)

thanks for reading...
waiting for ur valuable reply..
 
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I'm assuming the acceleration of the lift is meant to be constant with time? In this case, I think you have got all the answers correct :) One spelling mistake though - you've written dqrt, but I think you mean sqrt (i.e. square root).
 
BruceW said:
I'm assuming the acceleration of the lift is meant to be constant with time? In this case, I think you have got all the answers correct :) One spelling mistake though - you've written dqrt, but I think you mean sqrt (i.e. square root).

thnaks BruceW for answering.
Finally the answer behind the book is wrong and i am correct.
 
about question 1>, there is also the force of gravity on the wooden block. But you still have the right answer, because this only affects where the point of equilibrium is. Also, the amplitude of oscillation must be small enough that the block doesn't jump out of the water. As long as this is true, then you've got the right answer for the period.

Textbooks sometimes do have wrong answers (usually due to error when the person wrote it). They probably checked it through a few times, but a few mistakes always seem to slip through the net. It shows that you understand the material if you can spot the errors :)
 

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