Is There Truly a DC Electric Motor or Generator?

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the existence and characteristics of direct current (DC) electric motors and generators. Participants explore the principles of operation, particularly focusing on the role of magnetic fields and commutation in these devices, as well as the distinctions between DC and alternating current (AC) systems.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a truly DC motor or generator exists, suggesting that the need for a changing magnetic field implies that DC systems may not be purely DC.
  • Another participant asserts that brushed DC motors and generators do exist, explaining that commutators switch current direction to maintain interaction between the rotor and stator fields.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the concept of reversing polarity, linking it to AC operation and questioning if true DC operation is feasible without polarity changes.
  • Another participant clarifies that the polarity of the supplying DC current remains constant, which is a key distinction in understanding DC operation.
  • A later reply confirms the existence of DC motors in modern applications, such as electric vehicles, and explains the role of commutators in maintaining rotor motion.
  • Regarding brushless DC (BLDC) motors, one participant acknowledges the use of PWM and changing phases but questions the claim that the rotor experiences negligible friction, suggesting that some friction is present due to rotor rotation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of DC motors and the implications of magnetic fields in their operation. There is no consensus on whether a truly DC motor exists without the need for polarity changes, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the friction experienced by BLDC motor bearings.

Contextual Notes

Participants have differing interpretations of the operational principles of DC motors, particularly regarding the role of commutation and magnetic fields. Some assumptions about the nature of friction in BLDC motors are also not fully explored.

Crazymechanic
Messages
831
Reaction score
12
Hi , maybe a pretty simple question and about things that we have long used and know well but is there a electric motor or generator that is truly DC? As much as I think there isn't because either to create , induce electricity in windings (generator) u got to have a changing magnetic field which in turn creates changing alternating current AC right?

And in dc motors like the BLDC (brushless dc) again the moving of the magnetic rotor is made by changing the phase and PWM, sorry if I make some mistakes.

The brushed dc motor operates from true DC I guess.
Tell me how much am I right and is there something to add?

P.S. Also doesn't in BLDC the rotor bearings experience very little friction as the rotor is held precisely in middle all the time when it operates by the magnetic field ?
 
Last edited:
Engineering news on Phys.org
Answer is as simple as asking uncle google - there are truly DC motors and generators (brushed).
How DC field can make rotor moving ? Current is switched by commutator as rotor moves to keep rotor and stator DC fields static to each other.
Two fields (from stator and rotor) interact witch each other and creates torque spinning rotor faster. It can be seen form left hand rule.
Please read more about it here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dc_motor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commutator_(electric)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleming's_left-hand_rule_for_motors

About BLDC motor bearings.. so you say rotor levitates in the middle of stator ? Nonsense.. resulting force from magnetic field (on rotor) is zero - if rotor is perfectly in axis of stator (in other cases there is a "unbalanced magnetic pull" acting on rotor).
 
Last edited:
Yes I understand that you need to reverse the polarity to keep the rotor going otherwise it would just move like 180 degrees at best and stop, but isn't reversing polarity what AC is all about, so from this kind of perspective I was asking about is there a true dc motor?
As it seems to me that true dc without any polarity change done by commutator both mechanical or electric(transistor) one is impossible as static magnetic field cannot create motion. Am I correct by saying this?
 
You do not reverse polarity of supplying DC current (it remains almost constant). This should be taken from this pont of view.
 


Hi there,

Thank you for your question. I can confirm that there are indeed electric motors and generators that operate on DC (direct current) rather than AC (alternating current). In fact, many modern electric cars and hybrid vehicles use DC motors for their propulsion systems.

DC motors operate by creating a constant magnetic field and using commutators to switch the direction of the current, which in turn causes the rotor to rotate. This is different from AC motors, which use alternating current to create a changing magnetic field.

As for BLDC motors, you are correct that they use a combination of changing phases and PWM (pulse width modulation) to control the speed and direction of the motor. However, the rotor bearings do experience some friction due to the rotation of the rotor, but this can be minimized through proper design and lubrication.

I hope this helps answer your question. Please let me know if you have any further inquiries. Thank you.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 18 ·
Replies
18
Views
4K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
5K
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
4K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
8K
Replies
0
Views
2K