Is this property of lines of force true for E.M?

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The discussion centers around the properties of lines of force in electric and magnetic fields, particularly whether each line of force has equal strength. Participants explore the implications of this concept, its visual representation, and its mathematical underpinnings.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the assertion that "each line of force has equal strength," arguing that the strength of the field varies with distance from charges.
  • One participant notes that lines of force originate from positive charges and terminate at negative charges, suggesting that the density of lines indicates the strength of the field.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of geometry affecting the perceived strength of the force, stating that lines of force spread out with distance, which impacts the force experienced by a test charge.
  • A participant emphasizes that field lines are visual representations and not mathematically rigorous, suggesting that they are more useful for indicating direction rather than strength.
  • There is a correction regarding the relationship between field lines and equipotential surfaces, clarifying that field lines are perpendicular to surfaces of constant electric potential, not necessarily constant field strength.
  • One participant asserts that to indicate varying field strength, one can draw more or fewer lines, implying that the number of lines represents the intensity of the field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the strength of lines of force, with multiple competing views remaining about their properties and implications.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the definitions of lines of force and their mathematical representation, as well as the assumptions made about the behavior of electric fields in different contexts.

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Considering the visual representation of an electric/magnetic field (by 'line of forces'), is this fact about the properties of lines of force true? -

"Each line of force has equal strength"

The websites/books are pretty timid in reviling the properties of lines of forces...at least for E.Fs.
 
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Could you provide us with more detail? What's a "line of force", and what's "reving"?
 
Sorry about that error, I've made the question clearer.
 
I don't think it's true. For electric fields, lines of force originate with positive charges and end at negative charges, unless they begin or end at infinity when the net charge of the system is non-zero. You could pick a location near the charges, where a test charge would experience a very strong force, and you could pick locations far away from charges, where the force would be weak, possibly even zero if everything's balanced just right. The field lines are perpendicular to surfaces of constant field strengths in 3D, and curves in 2D, so if you have a lone positive charge, the field lines would radiate straight out to infinity, and the surfaces of constant field energy (the equipotential surfaces) would be spheres around the charge.
 
You could pick a location near the charges, where a test charge would experience a very strong force, and you could pick locations far away from charges, where the force would be weak, possibly even zero if everything's balanced just right.

But that can also be because of the geometry losses right?...the lines of forces spread out so if the test charge is far away and so less lines of forces will fall on another charge (cause the lines of forces spread out with distance but actually depends on the geometry of the source charge) reducing the force.

So even if we consider this fact as true, the same thing will happen.

In fact, if this fact is true the inverse square relation of intensity with distance (for point charges) will be cause of the fact that the lines spread out with the distance traveled rather than the force by each line of force decreasing with the distance.

The field lines are perpendicular to surfaces of constant field strengths in 3D, and curves in 2D



I'm sort of not getting what you mean by this...if I got it right, this is itself against the properties of lines of forces.
 
Force lines, or field lines are visual representations of the forces, and fields. They are not mathematically rigorous (the forms of the fields you can derive are, but they just tell you what it looks like).

In general, the denser the lines the more force there is, but of course there are an infinite number of lines, you just choose to draw a representative number. I wouldn't worry about field lines too much in terms of "strength", they are much more useful in telling you the direction of the force.
 
JoAuSc said:
The field lines are perpendicular to surfaces of constant field strengths in 3D, and curves in 2D,

No, field lines are perpendicular to lines/surfaces of constant electric potential (equipotentials). The field is not generally constant on these lines/surfaces.
 
jtbell said:
No, field lines are perpendicular to lines/surfaces of constant electric potential (equipotentials). The field is not generally constant on these lines/surfaces.

Thank you, I stand corrected.
 
Field lines are each equally strong.

To indicate the field is more or less strong, you add more or fewer lines.
 

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