Is u Algebraic over Extension Field E?

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The discussion revolves around the algebraic properties of the element u in the context of field extensions, specifically examining whether u is algebraic over the extension field E, given that u is transcendental over the field k.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the implications of E being an extension of k and its relationship with F, questioning how elements in E relate to u. There are attempts to connect the concept of irreducible polynomials and algebraic elements to the problem. Some participants suggest considering the linear independence of elements in E and their span.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various perspectives being shared. Some participants have offered insights into the relationships between the fields and the nature of u, while others are still grappling with the foundational concepts. There is no explicit consensus yet, but the dialogue is productive.

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Participants note that E must contain elements not in k, and there is a focus on the implications of u's transcendental nature in relation to these elements. The discussion hints at the need for clarity on the definitions of algebraic and transcendental elements within the context of field theory.

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if F=k(u), where u is transcendental over the field k. If E is a field such that E is an extension of K and F is an extension of E, then show that u is algebraic over E

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i''m having trouble starting this proof, any ideas? any help would be appreciated
 
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Well, if [tex]E[/tex] is a field strictly bigger than [tex]k[/tex], then it must contain some [tex]\alpha[/tex] not in [tex]k[/tex]. By assumption, [tex]\alpha \in F[/tex]. As a vector space, [tex]F[/tex] is infinite-dimensional over [tex]k[/tex], but it does have a very convenient basis. Expand [tex]\alpha[/tex] in this basis (noting that in this context "basis" means "Hamel basis," so infinite linear combinations are not allowed). This should give you an interesting relation between [tex]u[/tex] and [tex]\alpha[/tex]. Do you see why this solves the problem?
 
I think I must prove this using the idea of irreducible(minimal) polynomials, and algebraic elements
 
but I think the interesting connection is that they are linearly independent and span E, making E contain u?
 
I think I must prove this using the idea of irreducible(minimal) polynomials, and algebraic elements

The problem is much more straightforward than that. Don't think too hard. :P

Actually, [tex]E[/tex] doesn't have to contain [tex]u[/tex]. If it did, then it would necessarily also contain [tex]F = k(u)[/tex] (since [tex]k(u)[/tex] is the smallest field containing both [tex]k[/tex] and [tex]u[/tex]). However, it does have to contain something which is not in [tex]k[/tex], and that something can be expanded in powers of [tex]u[/tex]. Think a little about this, and you'll realize it's exactly what you want.
 

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