News Is Uzbekistan Hiding Shocking Secrets?

[WarrickF]

I was pretty shocked listening to this, and was REALLY hoping that someone in the group would have some logical argument.

http://www.bushcommission.org/Audio/Craig_Murray%20Testimony.mp3

http://www.craigmurray.co.uk

Thanks
Warrick

 

[Evo]

You need to state specifically what you wish to discuss from that link, or the thread will be closed.

 

[WarrickF]

What he's basically saying is that the US is purchasing information from Uzbekistan knowing full well that they are torturing people for the information. So I'm interested to know if:

A. People believe what Craig Murry has to say, and if now why.
B. What the implementations of this would be.

I guess I'm just amazed that I stumbled upon the information. I'm not very clued up when it comes to politics and was hoping to discuss the issue and hear peoples thoughts.

 

[Gokul43201]

Warrick, can you tell us what hearing that is in the mp3 file? Is the hearing current or has it been completed? Do you have a link to it?

Nevermind. It appears to have been given to the Bushcommission - a private entity conducting hearings on "Crimes Against Humanity Committed by the Bush Administration". This is their list of judges :

Adjoa A. Aiyetoro, Assistant Professor of Law, University of Arkansas at Little Rock; former Executive Director, National Conference of Black Lawyers (NCBL)

Dennis Brutus, former prisoner, Robben Island, South Africa, poet, Professor Emeritus, University of Pittsburgh

Abdeen Jabara, former President, American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee

Ajamu Sankofa, Executive Director, Physicians for Social Responsibility-NY

Ann Wright, former US diplomat and retired US Army Reserve Colonel

http://www.bushcommission.org/?q=node/37

While I find the capability of the commission itself highly doubtful, I don't find very much of the content of Ambassador Murray's testimony unbelievable. Yes, it is laced with the usual slings and arrows, but the content as such doesn't strike me as implausible at all.

 

[WarrickF]

That's a good point, I'd not look at who the Judges were and I'm not blown away by the list. I did think that the two speeches given by Harry Belafonte and Michael Ratner were very good though and really got me wondering if this is some form of patriotic treason that the general public is guilty of by sitting back and watching this all go down.

I tried to research Harry Belafonte and Michael Ratner and altough Michael Ratner seems legit I'm not 100% sure I understand who Harry Belafonte is and what his deal is.

Their two speeches can be viewed:
http://www.bushcommission.org/Video/Belafonte.wmv
and
http://www.bushcommission.org/Video/Ratner.wmv

or by clicking on the links on the front page of http://www.bushcommission.org/

I don't see anything recent happening on this commission so I'm not sure what their deal is lately.

Although I live in the U.S. I did not grow up here and am not familiar with all the history – has any U.S. president ever been accused and convicted of such crimes?

 

[Cyrus]

Thanks for the clip, very informative.

 

[Evo]

That's a good point, I'd not look at who the Judges were and I'm not blown away by the list. I did think that the two speeches given by Harry Belafonte and Michael Ratner were very good though and really got me wondering if this is some form of patriotic treason that the general public is guilty of by sitting back and watching this all go down.

I tried to research Harry Belafonte and Michael Ratner and altough Michael Ratner seems legit I'm not 100% sure I understand who Harry Belafonte is and what his deal is.

Their two speeches can be viewed:
http://www.bushcommission.org/Video/Belafonte.wmv
and
http://www.bushcommission.org/Video/Ratner.wmv

or by clicking on the links on the front page of http://www.bushcommission.org/

I don't see anything recent happening on this commission so I'm not sure what their deal is lately.

Although I live in the U.S. I did not grow up here and am not familiar with all the history – has any U.S. president ever been accused and convicted of such crimes?

Harry Belafonte was a singer.

 

[WarrickF]

Thanks, I did not think I'd found the correct person when I read the bio. But it seems you're correct http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Belafonte.

Although I would not sum it up quite that fast, he seems to have been quite a activist of the years.

 

[kyleb]

This is the first I have heard of Craig Murray, but from what is linked from here it seems seems like he is the type of guy we need in change instead of working under the amoral leadership we have.

 

[WarrickF]

I could not agree with you more.