Is x Necessarily Rational If It Satisfies (ax+b)/(cx+d)=1?

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether a real number x, satisfying the equation (ax+b)/(cx+d)=1 with integers a, b, c, and d (where a does not equal c), must be rational. Participants explore the implications of the equation and the definitions involved.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss manipulating the equation to isolate x and consider the implications of integer operations on rationality. Questions arise about the definition of rational numbers and how it relates to the derived expression for x.

Discussion Status

Some participants have successfully derived an expression for x and are considering the implications of integer operations on rationality. There is an ongoing exploration of the initial confusion regarding the problem and how understanding the definition of rational numbers can aid in solving it.

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Participants reflect on the initial uncertainty about how to approach the problem and the importance of definitions in mathematics. The discussion highlights the transition from confusion to clarity through active engagement with the problem.

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Suppose a,b,c,d are integers and a DOES NOT equal c. Suppose that x is a real number that satisfies the equation:

(ax+b)/(cx+d)=1

Must x be rational? If so, express x as a ratio of two integers.

I have no idea how to begin this problem.
 
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1. express this as x = (work it out)

2. See if you can apply the definition of 'rational' and get a conclusion

3. Something else - I'll tell you if and when you come back. :smile:
 
(ax+b)=(cx+d)

ax-cx=d-b

x(a-c)=d-b

x=(d-b)/(a-c)

So if a,b,c,d are integers then the subtraction and division of integers must also be rational. Is that the answer?
 
DarkGuju said:
(ax+b)=(cx+d)

ax-cx=d-b

x(a-c)=d-b

x=(d-b)/(a-c)

So if a,b,c,d are integers then the subtraction and division of integers must also be rational. Is that the answer?

Indeed it is!
 
So now I will say point 3.

You said you had 'no idea how to begin'. So now you have done it, think about why you had no idea and how you did solve it. It was a question about x. So maybe it was a good idea to know what x was. Also often enough there are very few things you can do, so might as well try those. Also when asked whether something is rational, real, integral, prime, or other kind of number or thing, it can sound very abstruse till you ask yourself what that means, what is? a rational number for instance. The definition gave you the answer fairly directly. So now, having given yourself permission so to speak to do this actively instead of saying I have no idea and a blank page you have got yourself started and I'm sure will be able to handle the next problem actively and hopefully many others. :smile:
 

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