Isentropic Nozzle Behavior Explanation

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of isentropic nozzles in thermodynamics, specifically addressing the relationship between pressure, temperature, and velocity of steam as it exits the nozzle. Participants explore the implications of isentropic conditions versus non-isentropic conditions, raising questions about the assumptions made in the problem statement.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why, in an isentropic nozzle, the exiting pressure remains constant while the temperature decreases, suggesting that both could potentially change.
  • Another participant proposes that the pressure might be fixed at the downstream end, implying a need for clarity in the problem statement regarding this condition.
  • Concerns are raised about the necessity of stating fixed pressure conditions in the problem, with a suggestion that the outlet's pressure could be determined by atmospheric conditions or other external factors.
  • There is a reiteration of the idea that the pressure at the exit of the nozzle does not change discontinuously, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the problem's assumptions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the assumptions about pressure and temperature changes in isentropic nozzles. There is no consensus on whether the problem's conditions are adequately stated or understood.

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Limitations include the lack of clarity on the problem statement, particularly regarding fixed pressure conditions at the nozzle exit, which may influence the discussion of isentropic behavior.

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Hello. I was working on a sample problem on my thermodynamics book about isentropic nozzles. Pressures, velocities, and temperatures of steam entering to a non isentropic nozzle and exiting it are known. The question asks me to find the velocity of the steam exiting, if the nozzle were isentropic.

I find the amount of irreversibilities using entropy data and then find the specific entropy of the exiting steam. Here is my question: The solution says the exiting pressure remains the same and the temperature decreases if the nozzle were isentropic. What is the reason for that? Couldn't the pressure change and temperature remain the same?

I hope you understand my question and thank you very much for your attention!
 
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kalamar20 said:
Hello. I was working on a sample problem on my thermodynamics book about isentropic nozzles. Pressures, velocities, and temperatures of steam entering to a non isentropic nozzle and exiting it are known. The question asks me to find the velocity of the steam exiting, if the nozzle were isentropic.

I find the amount of irreversibilities using entropy data and then find the specific entropy of the exiting steam. Here is my question: The solution says the exiting pressure remains the same and the temperature decreases if the nozzle were isentropic. What is the reason for that? Couldn't the pressure change and temperature remain the same?

I hope you understand my question and thank you very much for your attention!
Maybe the pressure is fixed at the downstream end at some specific value.
 
Chestermiller said:
Maybe the pressure is fixed at the downstream end at some specific value.

How can the pressure be fixed? Also, isn't it necessary to state that in the problem?
 
kalamar20 said:
How can the pressure be fixed? Also, isn't it necessary to state that in the problem?
I haven't seen the statement of the problem, so I don't know. But, if the outlet of the nozzle is into the atmosphere (or into some other large region of prescribed pressure) that's going to determine the pressure at the exit of the nozzle. The pressure at the exit of the nozzle does not change discontinuously.
 
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Chestermiller said:
I haven't seen the statement of the problem, so I don't know. But, if the outlet of the nozzle is into the atmosphere (or into some other large region of prescribed pressure) that's going to determine the pressure at the exit of the nozzle. The pressure at the exit of the nozzle does not change discontinuously.

OK, thank you very much for your help.
 

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