Isosceles Triangle Geometry Problem

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The problem involves finding the measures of the sides of an isosceles triangle represented by the expressions x + 5, 3x + 13, and 4x + 11. The original poster attempts to determine the possible values of x that satisfy the condition of an isosceles triangle.

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  • Participants discuss setting pairs of side expressions equal to each other to solve for x, exploring multiple configurations of the triangle. There is a focus on identifying which values of x yield valid side lengths.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing their calculations and questioning the validity of their results. There is recognition of the need to check the side lengths derived from the values of x to determine which correspond to valid triangles.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion regarding negative values for side lengths and the implications for the triangle's validity. The discussion reflects on the necessity of ensuring all side lengths are positive to form a legitimate triangle.

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Homework Statement


The measure of the sides of an isosceles triangle are represented by x + 5, 3x +13, and 4x + 11. What are the measures of the sides? Two answers are possible.

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Well, I set up three different triangles, to account for the different placements of the sides; but I only came up with one solution. Where is the second solution coming from?
 
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Two of those sides must be equal, right? Pick two of them, set them equal and find x. There are actually three different ways to do that. You'll find one value of x doesn't work.
 
Well, I did do that, and I got -8, -6, and 2.
 
Bashyboy said:
Well, I did do that, and I got -8, -6, and 2.

Are those the x values? How did you get -8 and -6? I did get x=2 for one pair.
 
Oh! terribly sorry: I meant to write -4 and -3. And I found them by creating three different triangles, each case having its side equal to on of the others. For instance, I said a = x + 5,
b = 3x + 13, and c = 4x + 11; then I arbitrarily assigned a and b to be the equivalent sides and set them equal to each other and solved for x. Then, in the second case, I said a = x + 5, but this time I set b = 4x + 11; and once again, I said that a and b were the sides of the isosceles triangle that were equal and consequently set them equal to each other and solved for x. I followed the same procedure for the third case.
 
Bashyboy said:
Oh! terribly sorry: I meant to write -4 and -3. And I found them by creating three different triangles, each case having its side equal to on of the others. For instance, I said a = x + 5,
b = 3x + 13, and c = 4x + 11; then I arbitrarily assigned a and b to be the equivalent sides and set them equal to each other and solved for x. Then, in the second case, I said a = x + 5, but this time I set b = 4x + 11; and once again, I said that a and b were the sides of the isosceles triangle that were equal and consequently set them equal to each other and solved for x. I followed the same procedure for the third case.

And which one of those gave you x=(-3)? I'm ok with x=2 and x=(-4).
 
Blimey, I erred once again; the -3 should be a -2, and I found it by setting x + 5 = 4x + 11
 
Bashyboy said:
Blimey, I erred once again; the -3 should be a -2, and I found it by setting x + 5 = 4x + 11

Ok, so you've got x=2, -2 or -4. Which of those correspond to real triangles? Check what the side lengths are in each case.
 
Oh, okay, I see: I never plugged the values back into each expression; as soon as I saw the negative value, I completely dismissed it, thinking that you can't have a negative measurement. So, the two answers should be 2 and -2? and this corresponds to two possible triangles?
 
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Oh, okay, I see: I never plugged the values back into each expression; as soon as I saw the negative value, I completely dismissed it, thinking that you can't have a negative measurement. So, the two answers should be 2 and -2? and this corresponds to two possible triangles?

Yes, x=(-4) gives you a side with negative length. Can't have that.
 
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Okay, thank you so very much for your time and help.
 

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