It looks like Tsu will be flying in a MIG

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The discussion revolves around the excitement and anticipation of flying in a MiG fighter jet, with participants expressing their envy and sharing their own experiences with aviation. There is a mix of humor and caution as members discuss the potential risks of flying in older aircraft, emphasizing the importance of a skilled pilot. Speculation about the specific model of MiG being flown—ranging from the MiG-15 to the MiG-29—leads to debates about their capabilities and historical significance. Participants share anecdotes about their own thrilling experiences in aviation, including air combat and other high-adrenaline activities, while also acknowledging the physical demands and potential for airsickness during such flights. The conversation touches on the costs associated with these experiences, with some suggesting that the price of a flight in a MiG is steep but worth the unique opportunity. Overall, the thread captures a blend of excitement, nostalgia, and a healthy respect for the challenges of flying high-performance aircraft.
  • #31
I readily say that the MiG 25 is within the top 5 planes ever built. One advantage that it would have had, if the cold war had heated up, was that it's onboard electronics were based upon vacuum tubes... immune to EMP's from a nuke.
Still, it was a joke compared to the Arrow, which beat the **** out of the records that you cited.
 
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  • #32
The avro arrow was no where near close danger.
 
  • #33
You're basing that upon the figures that Deifenbaker demanded be released, not the actual performance figures. If you don't believe me, ask Fred.
 
  • #34
Get fred in here, if it does as you say, I would like to hear more!
 
  • #35
I just PM'd him on that. Given the disparate time zones involved in this forum, I don't know when he'll weigh in. And even if he disagrees with me, I'll take his opinion as truth. He has the background from a couple of different directions to know what's what.
 
  • #36
wolram said:
They do let civies fly them in Russia, but it costs mega bucks, the 29 that is.

I once ran into a doctor who was wearing an Air Combat T-shirt, so we started talking, and it turned out that he had a buddy who went to Russia and flew a late model Mig; I guess the 29 but don't know. The short version is that this is not a nice thing to do to a person who has not been properly trained. Apparently it was nothing short of a brutal experience. He came out all banged up and was in pain for weeks afterwards.

As for the doc, his Air Combat opponent threw up and passed out mid- flight. :smile:
 
  • #37
Ivan Seeking said:
I once ran into a doctor who was wearing an Air Combat T-shirt, so we started talking, and it turned out that he had a buddy who went to Russia and flew a late model Mig; I guess the 29 but don't know. The short version is that this is not a nice thing to do to a person who has not been properly trained. Apparently it was nothing short of a brutal experience. He came out all banged up and was in pain for weeks afterwards.

As for the doc, his Air Combat opponent threw up and passed out mid- flight. :smile:

I think the Russians came up with idea purly to get flying hours in, the cost of keeping a mig 29 is astronomical, so i guess the pilot is not going to worry about his passenger to much, i mean what is the passenger going to tell his mates, Fantastic i would not have missed it for any thing, or i puked up and passed out, i think the former.
Ivan i think you and Tsu should do some training before the flight, get as fit as you can and do some G exersizes, just so you can enjoy your experience to the full.
 
  • #38
You're probably right about the Russians. It is advertised as "you fly", and you do, but the pilot also takes it through some set of maneuvers, and at that point you're just along for the ride.
 
  • #39
Well, let's see here...

The MiG wins in ceiling. The Arrow was only capable of 60,000 ft with the Orenda engines. The Pratt & Whitneys they had to use were some serious dogs.

The MiG beats the Arrow in speed too. I have to say that because the MK2 never got a chance to fly. However, even with the Iroquois engines, I don't think they were rated in the Mach 3+ regime. Mach 2.5+ was what I remember.

I do believe that the Arrow had would beat the MiG in maneuvering. The MiG-25 was meant to go up and fast. It was not meant to maneuver. The Arrow could twist and turn at M1.5.

I don't think the Arrow's fire control system ever came on line. I know the initial flight tests were done with ballast in the nose and fuselage because it wasn't ready for the first flight.

The 25's were notoriously poor when it came to reliability, especially their engines.

Admittedly, the Soviets didn't field the 25 until the '70s and the Arrow was flown in '59. That's a while to get some technological advancements, especially in engines. Plus, at the time, the Soviets had hugely deep pockets. Who knows what would have happened if they could have continued development of the Arrow to the MK3 or 4.

Sorry Danger.

Arrow Rules!

Of course, there's no doubt of my personal preference in aircraft.

As a side note of the higher being guiding my life's occurrences...The greatest helicopter in the world in the CH-47 Chinook which I had the privilege of working on and flying. My Dad taught me about the Arrow when I was knee high to a grasshopper. The designed engine for the Arrow was the Orenda Iroquois. And Orenda's first engine produced was called...the Chinook. Whoa.
 
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  • #40
You know fred, at one point Iran had a fleet of 70+ CH-47 Chinook's, back in the day.
 
  • #41
cyrusabdollahi said:
A 29 is too modern and too expensive.

:frown: :mad: :cry:
 
  • #42
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/8600/mig255ud.jpg

Oh, PLEASE God, let it be a Foxbat!11 :biggrin:
 
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  • #43
cyrusabdollahi said:
You know fred, at one point Iran had a fleet of 70+ CH-47 Chinook's, back in the day.
Yeah. I know. They were actually manufactured in Italy through a cooperative with Vertol and an Italian aerospace company.
http://www.chinook-helicopter.com/history/aircraft/iran/IIAA_CH-47C_5-4059.jpg

Iran had F-14's as well.
http://www.scramble.nl/mil/4/iran/gfx/photos/f14-main.jpg

The Shah was our Buddy. Too bad he got booted out.
 
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  • #44
Tsu said:
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/8600/mig255ud.jpg

Oh, PLEASE God, let it be a Foxbat!11 :biggrin:
If it is, you would be able to say that you went up in a rocket, because that thing is closest you can get.
 
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  • #45
Yep, the only other country in the world to have the F-14 :biggrin:

iiaff14s_jpg.jpg


:cool:

http://www.iiaf.net/archive/aircraft/images/IIAFF-14A3-6027_jpg.jpg
 
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  • #46
Tsu said:
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/8600/mig255ud.jpg

Oh, PLEASE God, let it be a Foxbat!11 :biggrin:

Greedy, just be happy with what you get, they probably won't have a flight suit to fit you any way :smile: i just wondered what effect those g suits had on a female :confused:
 
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  • #47
wolram said:
i just wondered what effect those g suits had on a female :confused:

On Tsu, probably a lot. :cool:
 
  • #48
Ivan Seeking said:
On Tsu, probably a lot. :cool:
Careful, dude. You don't want to squish those up so high that her ears explode.
 
  • #49
Did i mention that we killed one of http://www.janes.com/defence/news/kosovo/jdw990401_01_n.shtml?

Nowadays air combat is putting the cursors over the beep on the scope, push to lock. Master arm switch up. Hit pickle button once. Caution: Don't push again, because the AIM120 takes a close to a second before winding up and to launch and that appears to be close to a minute when under that kind of stress. So you tend to think that nothing happens and that you would need to pickle again.

But no more red baron dogfights nowadays. Just an airborne computer game.
 
  • #50
It is billed as WWII style dogfighting, however you don't pull 5g's in a video game.

...and you don't go head to head at [relative] 600+ mph. :bugeye:
 
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  • #51
Here's another one that I would like to do before I'm too old.

Formula One racing school
http://www.jimrussellusa.com/racingcourses/racingcourses.php
 
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  • #52
You know, any day that I go to bed with the same number of body parts that I woke up with, I consider a good day. I don't dare tempt fate. :wink:
 
  • #53
Well, if you don't like the high speed stuff, maybe http://travel.discovery.com/fansites/worldsbest/sharkdive/sharkdive.html is more to your liking.
 
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  • #54
Ivan Seeking said:
Well, if you don't like the high speed stuff, maybe http://travel.discovery.com/fansites/worldsbest/sharkdive/sharkdive.html is more to your liking.
:bugeye: ..
 
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  • #55
That race car school looks cool. But for $4k, I would learn how to fly instead.
 
  • #56
There are much cheapers programs available. That is a pretty serious course - more than I intended to reference. That last time I checked, you could do a two day course for something around $1k or less.
 
  • #57
Ivan Seeking said:
There are much cheapers programs available. That is a pretty serious course - more than I intended to reference. That last time I checked, you could do a two day course for something around $1k or less.
I used to want to drive a race car, seriously, I think that would be so cool.
 
  • #58
For the $$$ you'd spend paying for these courses, lay down the bucks for a HD Softail and put your life on the line every day. They are really comfortable and fun to ride without being too twitchy (my buddy's turbocharged Yamaha had such bad turbo-lag that you'd roll back the throttle, wait almost a second and then roll off to avoid wheelying over backwards at 50 mph). The dangerous part is that you are sharing the road with people driving cars, trucks and SUVs, while eating, drinking, talking on the phone, checking the makeup, tuning the radio, and disciplining the kids.
 
  • #59
No kidding! I used to ride in L.A., and after about my third close call [when I was being good for a change], I decided that riding in the city was far too dangerous.


One that I would never try is base jumping - parachuting from building, bridges, or any low altitude jump. Those guys are nuts! In spite of the odds of serious injury, which I don't recall but were completely unacceptable, I heard one jumper argue that base jumping is obviously as safe as driving your car since many more people die in auto accidents every day. :rolleyes: That was enough for me.

Probably my most thrilling and dangerous experience was to Boogie-Board on a 20~25 foot wave. Based on the distance of the break from shore, which is a pretty good gauge, I was convinced that it broke at about 25 feet. Since waves are measured from the back side where the water is deeper, the face of a wave that size can be 35 feet above the water's surface, or more.

I had grown up spending a good percentage of my pre-teen and early teen summers body surfing and surfing, and at age 20, when in great physical condition, I went after the biggest wave that I could find. It was a hot summer's day, there was a storm down off Baja that was kicking up an awesome southern swell, so I went to the best south facing beach in my neck of S. Cal - Seal Beach. I was the only one in the water as far as one could see and it nearly killed me trying to get beyond the breaks, but finally I managed to be in the right place at the right time. Wow! I'm not even going to try to describe the rush and the power when you fall off the top of the wave, but it was increible. When I tried a bigger one, it broke on top of me and I nearly didn't make it out, but I got one.

Edit: I was just thinking how on Oahu, at the Pipeline and Sunset Beach, the hot dogs all start going home when the waves get that small. :eek:
 
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  • #60
turbo-1 said:
For the $$$ you'd spend paying for these courses, lay down the bucks for a HD Softail .

I am counting the days until I can make that happen! For me it would either be a Street Bob, Wide Glide or Springer Softail.
 

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