It looks like Tsu will be flying in a MIG

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The discussion revolves around the excitement and concerns regarding a planned flight in a MIG aircraft, specifically focusing on the safety, experience, and types of MIGs involved. Participants share personal anecdotes, express enthusiasm, and speculate on the model of the MIG, while also discussing the implications of flying such aircraft.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express excitement about the opportunity to fly in a MIG, with one noting the importance of the pilot's experience and safety.
  • Concerns are raised about the safety of older aircraft, with references to past incidents involving high-stress maneuvers.
  • There is speculation about the specific model of the MIG, with mentions of the MIG-15, MIG-21, and MIG-29, and discussions about their capabilities.
  • Participants share personal experiences with air combat and flying, emphasizing the thrill and intensity of such activities.
  • Some participants suggest that the MIG could potentially go supersonic, while others challenge this claim based on known specifications.
  • There are humorous suggestions about what to do during the flight, including pulling G's and performing stunts.
  • One participant mentions the MiG-25 and its impressive performance, contrasting it with other aircraft like the Avro Arrow, leading to a debate about their respective capabilities.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally share excitement about the flight, but there are multiple competing views regarding the safety of flying in older aircraft and the specific model of the MIG. The discussion remains unresolved on certain technical claims and safety concerns.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the specific capabilities of the MIG models mentioned, including their speed and performance characteristics. Additionally, assumptions about the pilot's experience and the safety of the flight are not fully clarified.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in aviation, particularly military aircraft, thrill-seekers considering flight experiences, and those curious about the technical aspects of flying older aircraft may find this discussion relevant.

  • #151
No, 15k for 30 min
 
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  • #152
cyrusabdollahi said:
:smile: I understand where your coming from, I would love to go up in a mig too. Just not for that steep a price. :-p I'd rather learn how to fly.
No mention of landing. Hmmmmm. Very suspicious. Hmmmmm. :biggrin:
 
  • #153
Yeah, with mid air refueling, I figure why not....heyyyyyyyy now that is something you guys should do! A mid air refuel. That would be worth your money!
 
  • #154
cyrusabdollahi said:
No, 15k for 30 min

Now quit that. We're talking about five flights over a period of a week. And they last longer than 15 minutes. [you said 30. getting tired]

And...as if an afterthought, we are talking about a week in Moscow in a five star hotel.

As far as getting a pilot's license, strangely that doesn't really interest me that much. I looked at it for a time but I see so many people that pay nearly as much to get their license, then they let it lapse and never fly anyway. Being a real pilot is an exercise in engineering and I do that for a living. However, if you really get a charge out of genuine aviation, then the money is probably better spent becoming a pilot. But then the spending never ends. :biggrin:

If we were ultra rich and I could buy my own mig or whatever, that would be another story entirely. But long ago, when the recruiting officer told me that there was no chance of passing the physical for fighter pilot, I thought that something like this would never be possible. And heck, spending 15K is nothing compared to six years of active duty. To me that would have represented about, oh, maybe $100,000 in lost income and six years of my life.
 
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  • #155
Ok, what exactly does the price include Ivan?

Does it include Air fare and Hotel?

If so, then that could be well worth the money. I would make the trip worth it. Make the trip around visiting Russia and not the MIG per se. Visit the aerospace plants if your allowed. Museums, resturants. That would be a good trip. Then the Mig would just be the highlight of each day, and not the day itself. :-p
 
  • #156
I'm going to get me a Foxbat. :biggrin:
 
  • #157
Tsu said:
I'm going to get me a Foxbat. :biggrin:


And i bet your little legs twitch and your tongue hangs out the side of your mouth while you are having these dreams :biggrin: give me a mosquito a real mans aeroplane any day, please.
 
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  • #158
Say, why are all the MiGs given F-word codenames (Fagot, Farmer, Fishbed, Foxbat, Flogger, Fulcrum)? I didn't know the names Fagot and Farmer till yesterday, when I spent the day at the local AirForce Museum (took tons of pictures) getting more intimate with the birds!
 
  • #159
Perhaps is it F for fighter

How about the B, Badger, Bison, Bear, Blinder, Backfire , etc

And the C for Cub Coot Condor Candid Colt, etc

And the H for Hind, Hip, Hokum, Haze

And the M for Mail, May, Mainstay

There may be a system.
 
  • #160
Andre said:
Perhaps is it F for fighter

How about the B, Badger, Bison, Bear, Blinder, Backfire , etc

And the C for Cub Coot Condor Candid Colt, etc

And the H for Hind, Hip, Hokum, Haze

And the M for Mail, May, Mainstay

There may be a system.
Ah, didn't think of that.

Okay, so F-names for fighters, B-names for Bombers (I only know of the Badger, Bear and Backfire - I'm assuming the rest are bombers too), C-names for Cargo planes (again, guessing - based on the Condor), and H-names for helicopters. But what does M stand for?PS : Nevermind, it's "Miscellaneous".

Just found a nice answer here: http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/history/q0070.shtml
 
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  • #161
Bad news: The minimum price and the price for most programs is now around $19K + travel with no group discounts available. Anyone over forty must submit a current EKG, and everyone must get a doctors approval before going.

The top gun program is, gulp, $57.7K

You do wear g-suits and will pull at least 4-5g's. You can try for as many g's as desired.

The flights last thirty minutes.

No ejection seat rides are offered for any price. :biggrin:
 
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  • #162
Ivan, do you know yet which bird it's going to be?
 
  • #163
Gokul43201 said:
Ivan, do you know yet which bird it's going to be?

Tsu definitely wants to do the edge of space program in the 25 - now $18.5K. I need to rethink my options with the top gun program being so expensive. My inclination is to fly the 29 as a first choice.
 
  • #164
Oh yes, it seems that the local guy is never around or never was. There is an L39 pilot in Burbank, Ca., who offers flights for $2950.

I still have more people people to call, so there may be more options here.

Did you all see the guy who crashed and died in the Portland [Hillsboro] airshow this weekend?
 
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  • #165
Ivan Seeking said:
Did you all see the guy who crashed and died in the Portland [Hillsboro] airshow this weekend?
No. We're usually pretty up on these. What happened? What was he flying?
 
  • #166
The Hillsborough crash was a Hawker Hurricane. No one on the ground was hurt, one house totally destroyed, 3 others damaged. The plane was completely demolished, and the pilot was killed, they do not know what happened and may not for awhile. There were no black boxes or recorders running. Seems like there should be some amateur videos showing up.
 
  • #167
Integral said:
The Hillsborough crash was a Hawker Hurricane. No one on the ground was hurt, one house totally destroyed, 3 others damaged. The plane was completely demolished, and the pilot was killed, they do not know what happened and may not for awhile. There were no black boxes or recorders running. Seems like there should be some amateur videos showing up.

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: For man and machine.
 
  • #168
Integral said:
The Hillsborough crash was a Hawker Hurricane.
http://www.kimball.k12.sd.us/FIRE/home%20alone.jpg

That is an absolute tragedy.

Do you know what the aircraft was doing at the time? Straight and level or some kind of maneuver? Just curious.

I have been doing searches, but can not find any news articles on it.
 
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  • #169
Ahhh...I found something. I feel a tiny bit better...It was a Hawker Hunter according to this story.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/breaking_news/15054368.htm

It didn't do any performances and crashed right after takeoff. That's screaming engine failure on climbout. Not a thing one can do about that other than bail, and I doubt he could in time.

EDIT: Tell me this isn't irony at its finest
An attorney specializing in suits related to aviation disasters has died after crashing his vintage plane at the Oregon International Airshow.
 
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  • #170
The owner and pilot of the 1950s Hawker Hunter plane was ..., 73,

So how stringent are the regulations about people flying at that age with jet's of that age?
 
  • #171
Andre said:
So how stringent are the regulations about people flying at that age with jet's of that age?
As long as they can pass a class III physical (no heart murmurs and corrected 20-20 vision) they are good to go.
 
  • #172
FredGarvin said:
It didn't do any performances and crashed right after takeoff. That's screaming engine failure on climbout.

Here is video of the crash. Spectators reported that even his take-off speed was low. He barely gets past the runway when he starts going down.
http://www.kgw.com/news-local/stories/kgw_071706_news_home_video.20a96e3b.html

You have to sign up to watch. It is the local NBC station.
 
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  • #173
Why didnt he abort that takeoff?
 
  • #174
cyrusabdollahi said:
Why didnt he abort that takeoff?
I can't see it right now (damn firewall). Chances are he hit the PNR and had no choice but to stick it out.
 
  • #175
Heart murmur? Fred, will my heart murmur keep me from flying in my Foxbat? :frown:
 
  • #176
No. You don't need any kind of physical to be a rider, just a pilot in command. You may need to tell them any medical issues you may have so they can tailor the flight to your liking and to be safe.
 
  • #177
Yes, you do need a physical and a current EKG to be a rider on the Migs. This is the issue that concerns me the most. We ain't kids anymore.

I spent a good part of my life worrying about the 10,000 Soviet nuclear warheads pointed at us, and now we need a physical to go for a ride on a Mig. :rolleyes:

Hmmm, maybe they let you fly solo. :rolleyes:
 
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  • #178
FredGarvin said:
No. You don't need any kind of physical to be a rider, just a pilot in command. You may need to tell them any medical issues you may have so they can tailor the flight to your liking and to be safe.

Cool. :biggrin:
 
  • #179
It's like talking to the wall. :rolleyes:

Hi wall, how's the paint? Have you been board lately?
 

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