Jumping on Glass: What Would It Take to Break?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mechanics of jumping on glass floors, specifically what factors contribute to breaking the glass. Participants explore concepts related to force, pressure, and the dynamics of jumping versus standing, as well as the implications of deceleration upon landing.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the statistics provided about the glass's weight capacity are sufficient, suggesting that energy required to break the glass might be a more relevant measure.
  • Another participant states that jumping individuals exert the same average force and pressure as standing individuals, but with greater peak forces during jumps.
  • A different viewpoint explains that jumping from a height introduces downward velocity, which results in a force upon landing that can exceed normal weight due to acceleration.
  • One participant shares an analogy involving jumping on ice to illustrate how jumping can lead to breaking through a surface that can otherwise support weight.
  • Another participant notes that the force experienced during running can be significantly higher than body weight, emphasizing the need for joint structure to accommodate these forces.
  • A participant inquires about the deceleration time upon landing, suggesting that it may not be instantaneous and could affect the forces involved.
  • Another response indicates that deceleration time is influenced by footwear and body mechanics, such as bending knees, which can mitigate force exerted on landing.
  • One participant introduces the concept of a "shock wave" and its potential to cause catastrophic failure upon sudden impact, distinguishing it from other types of pressure waves.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between jumping dynamics and the forces exerted on glass. There is no consensus on the best way to quantify the risk of breaking the glass or the implications of deceleration time.

Contextual Notes

Discussions include assumptions about the nature of force and pressure, the effects of body mechanics, and the conditions under which glass may fail. Some mathematical relationships are mentioned but not fully resolved.

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Hello,

I've been to a couple of towers in the world (CN and Blackpool) with specially build glass floors that you can safely walk/jump on.

In each case, claims have been made stating that the glass is capable of withstanding a particular weight or pressure.

Intuitively, I feel I would be more likely to break the glass if I stood on a box and jumped on to the glass, and I'd be even more likely to break it if I was to run up a ladder and jump on to the glass.
I can understand in each of these scenarios how I would have a greater energy - but how could the weight or the pressure I exert on the glass be affected by this?

Has the wrong statistic been used? Should the text have given the energy required to break the glass instead? Or am I missing something fundamental? Any ideas what would be required to break the glass and how close I could get to doing so on my own?
 
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Jumping people exert the same force and pressure *on average* as do standing people.

But jumping people periodically exert zero force or pressure for a large portion of the time, and hence must exert a greater force (and pressure) at other times.
 
Normally, the force you exert on something is just your weight (more or less). Just standing there, you have no downward velocity (unless you fidgit or listen to some good beats on your iPod).

Now, if you jump from some height, you will have a velocity down (the higher you jumped from, the higher the velocity). When you touch the glass, it has to stop you by changing that velocity to zero. That's called acceleration and, according to Newton's 2nd law, produces a force. That force can be several times your normal weight.

You can try this by walking on a frozen puddle (no, not on a lake!) which has perhaps 1/2 inch of ice. You'll be able to stand on it, but if you jump up and down, you'll break through.

But, please don't try this on the glass. Even if you don't get hurt (which you likely will), you'll wind up being charged with a crime. Chill.
 
It's also the reason you have knobbly-knees.
When you run, the force on your legs when your foot hits the ground is upt 15x your body weight. You need to spead this load out - so the joints at the end of you bones have to have large surface areas, hence knees and ankles stick out.
 
Any idea what the deceleration time for landing is? I always saw it as a rather instantaneous event. Though I suppose in practice that makes no sense - it must just be a very very short time.
 
Depends on your shoes and the stiffness of the glass. You're right, it can be very short.
 
the deceleration depends on what kind of shoes your wearing but also if you bend your knees and how much. Bending your knees increases the time of deceleration therefore decreasing the force extreted. (so best case scenario you bend all the way down to the ground giving the longest possible deceleration time.
F=ma , where mass is some constant (in this case your mass) therefore we can say F is proportional to acceleration.
Acceleration or deceleration is the (Change in velocity) / (Change in time). Therefore if time apporaches zero (instaneous) then acceleration becomes Infinite. This means force apporaches infinity. Hope that made sense...
 
A "shock wave" does not exhibt the same characteristic of a longitudinal pressure wave. So, there is a real potential for catatrophic collapse with "sudden impact"
 

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