Just read Understanding Thermodynamics, what next?

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The discussion revolves around the participant's interest in learning about propulsion systems in aircraft and the necessary background in thermodynamics to support this learning. The scope includes recommendations for books and resources that would be suitable given the participant's current knowledge and upcoming coursework in thermodynamics and propulsion.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to advance their understanding of propulsion systems after reading "Understanding Thermodynamics" and seeks advice on whether to pursue introductory propulsion books or deepen their thermodynamics knowledge first.
  • Another participant suggests that knowledge in thermodynamics and heat/mass transfer would be beneficial for understanding propulsion systems and inquires about the participant's prior coursework.
  • The original poster lists their current and upcoming courses, indicating a foundational background in calculus and physics, along with some engineering courses.
  • A participant provides a list of recommended textbooks, including "Elementary Differential Equations and Boundary Value Problems" and "Fundamentals of Heat and Mass Transfer," while noting that the prerequisite courses will cover similar material.
  • The original poster mentions they have ordered "Introduction to Flight" by Anderson and are reading "The Illustrated Guide to Aerodynamics" to familiarize themselves with terminology and concepts related to aerodynamics.
  • Another participant agrees on the complexity of choosing subsequent topics to study and emphasizes the value of learning related subjects, suggesting "Mechanics and Thermodynamics of Propulsion" by Hill & Peterson as a potential resource.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of a solid understanding of thermodynamics for studying propulsion systems. However, there is no consensus on whether to pursue propulsion resources immediately or to focus on thermodynamics first, as different viewpoints on the necessity of foundational knowledge are presented.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the recommended textbooks may contain more information than necessary for the propulsion course, and there is an acknowledgment that the prerequisite courses will cover similar material. The discussion reflects varying levels of comfort with the foundational knowledge required for advancing in the subject.

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I am be interested in learning more about propulsions systems on aircraft, and realize a good understanding of thermo would help tremendously. I just read one of the Dover books, Understanding Thermodynamics to help get some of the basics down and now would like to take a step up to the next level. My understanding of thermo besides this book is very little where it was briefly discussed in chemistry last semester.

In the fall I will be taking fundamentals of thermodynamics and the following spring a class on propulsion, but I'd like to go ahead and start learning about this subject.

Would it be okay to jump to an introductory book on propulsion with my little background in thermo or should I try to get a better understanding of thermo first? Any suggestions of good books that are suited for my level would be great. Thanks!
 
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I've never taken a propulsion course, but I've skimmed through a few books. I think that parts of thermodynamics and heat/mass transfer would be beneficial.

What math, physics, and engineering courses have you taken?
What are the prerequisites for the propulsion course at your school?
 
I'm in calculus 2 now, will have calculus 3 finished by early July and in physics 1 now, will be in the second course in the fall. Prerequisites needed for the propulsion class is intro to thermo and aerodynamics. I've yet to take statics and dynamics but will have those completed over the summer.

Only engineering courses I have under me right now are materials science and a couple other general engineering and one on Solidworks.
 
I'm not sure how much information you'll need to know, so I'll just list some courses and textbooks that I think will be beneficial.

Differential Equations
Elementary Differential Equations and Boundary Value Problems - Boyce, DiPrima

Thermal Physics
Concepts in Thermal Physics - Blundell, Blundell

Thermal Engineering
Fundamentals of Heat and Mass Transfer - Bergman, Lavine, Incropera, DeWitt

Aerodynamics
Fundamentals of Aerodynamics - Anderson

There's a lot more information in these books than what you'll need, but you'll have a solid background in the mathematics, physics, and engineering when you take the propulsion course (or at least a few reference books).

Edit: I forgot to mention that the prerequisite courses will cover essentially the same material listed in these books, so you might just want to wait until you take the courses at your school. But if you absolutely cannot wait, then these books should guide you in the right direction. :)
 
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Thank you for your response. I have on the way the 6th, I believe, edition of intro to flight from Anderson. Seems to touch on a lot of the basics. I'm reading through The Illustrated Guide to Aerodynamics to become familiar with the terminology and some of the ideas. Fundamentals of Aerodynamics by Anderson is one I really want next, but I'd also like something specific to propulsion too. I know an understanding of thermodynamics is needed but I don't know to what extent. There is just too much I am excited to learn about! Any other suggestions from anyone else is welcome!
 
I agree - there are so many related subjects that it's difficult to choose where to go next! :)

Even though some (maybe most) of the material is not directly relevant, I still feel that it's worth learning because it might segue into another topic that you find interesting. Plus, learning subjects like thermodynamics from physics and engineering perspectives is beneficial because you get the best of the theory, applications, and intuition. They complement each other nicely.

I've been wanting to check out Mechanics and Thermodynamics of Propulsion by Hill & Peterson for awhile, but I've been busy with other subjects. It has generally received positive reviews from Amazon.com and the table of contents looks exciting. See if your library has a copy to examine, it might be closer to what you're looking for.
 

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