Key fob only works on battery and not power supply. What?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the issue of a key fob that operates only on battery power and not when connected to a power supply. Participants explore potential reasons for this behavior, including electrical characteristics, current requirements, and the role of components within the fob. The conversation includes technical explanations and hypotheses regarding the fob's design and functionality.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the key fob did not work with a power supply, despite being functional with a battery, and speculates about the power supply's frequency noise affecting performance.
  • Another participant questions whether the power supply was connected with reversed polarity, suggesting that this could have damaged the fob.
  • Participants discuss the current output of the power supply, with one noting that the current was too small to measure accurately.
  • Concerns are raised about whether the power supply can maintain the necessary voltage during transmission, and whether the multiple pads on the battery contact serve a functional purpose.
  • One participant suggests that the lack of sufficient buffer capacitors in the fob may prevent it from handling high-frequency currents when powered by a supply.
  • Another participant proposes adding a capacitor to the battery terminals when using a power supply, believing it may resolve the issue.
  • There is speculation about the battery potentially acting as an antenna, with discussions on the implications of lead length and inductance on transmission capabilities.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the power supply's ability to deliver the necessary current peaks for transmission, suggesting that the wiring may inhibit high-frequency current flow.
  • Another participant mentions the importance of hand positioning when testing the fob's functionality, as it may affect the antenna's performance.
  • There are discussions about the specifications of the batteries used, with clarifications on the differences between CR2016 and CR2032 batteries.
  • One participant expresses concern about damaging the fob while troubleshooting, indicating a desire to avoid further complications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the reasons for the key fob's failure to operate with a power supply. There is no consensus on the underlying cause, and various hypotheses are presented without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the uncertainty surrounding the power supply's current output, the potential effects of lead length and inductance, and the role of the battery in the fob's operation. The discussion also highlights the need for further testing and experimentation to clarify these issues.

  • #31
rsk said:
I assume that was what made the made it fail as an electromagnet.
I think it more likely for the electromagnets that the batteries were just more capable to produce high currents for short time intervals. Batteries are pretty impressive and an electromagnet is a current-hungry device. The half-wave sag will become more pronounced at high current too.
 
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  • #32
True, school power packs often state 1A max and flip off pretty quickly.
 
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  • #33
thatsmessedup said:
Gave it a try with a 100[uF] tantalum capacitor on the terminals. Not a single blip from the HackRF.
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When you remove the battery does the +ve battery terminal short the power supply by contacting the -ve terminal on the pcb? Especially if you have it the other way up to press the buttons. Try replacing the battery with cardboard when on the power supply.
 
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  • #34
CWatters said:
When you remove the battery does the +ve battery terminal short the power supply by contacting the -ve terminal on the pcb? Especially if you have it the other way up to press the buttons. Try replacing the battery with cardboard when on the power supply.
The LED lights when the button is pushed.
 

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