There are some (Associated Press) rumors circulating that three British Airways planes are contaminated... if this is true, MAYBE it can be seen whether the flights originated from anywhere interesting...
I was thinking the same thing, however there have been rumors that the job was outsourced to the mob. In that case, perhaps the sloppy job would make more sense, which is part of what got my attention. As for the choice of materials, I don't know. Maybe Putin believes himself to be untouchable.If this was done on the behest of Putin, isn't it the stupidest way to assassinate an obvious dissenter (and deserter)? There are hundreds of effective poisons that are not typically accessible only to a handful of people around the world. This seems so stupid as to make, in my opinion, the likelihood of a set-up not small.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&sid=aZ.4DKQduZDE&refer=europe [Broken]Nov. 30 (Bloomberg) -- The unexplained deaths of a former Russian spy, an investigative journalist, a central banker and two business executives have created ``a problem'' between Russia and Europe, European Commission President Jose Barroso said today.
``We have a problem with Russia. In fact we have several problems,'' Barroso told the German Parliament's European Affairs Committee. ``Too many people have been killed and we don't know who killed them.'' [continued]
Radiation found at 12 locationsThere are some (Associated Press) rumors circulating that three British Airways planes are contaminated... if this is true, MAYBE it can be seen whether the flights originated from anywhere interesting...
Alpha emitters are only effective internally. The skin stops alpha particles, and in fact, clothing would stop alpha particles.Experts probing the death of former Russian spy Alexander Litvinenko have found traces of radioactivity at 12 locations, the home secretary has said. Among them are two British Airways (BA) planes. A third one is awaiting checks.
Home Secretary John Reid told Parliament that two Russian aircraft, one of which is currently at Heathrow airport, were also of interest.
The Health Protection Agency said 24 people had been referred to a specialist clinic for tests.
BA is contacting 33,000 passengers from 221 flights. But Mr Reid stressed the public health risk was low.
Scientists at the U.K.'s Atomic Weapons Establishment in Aldermaston, west of London, have traced the polonium 210 found in London to a nuclear power plant in Russia, the capital's Evening Standard newspaper reported today. Officials at the establishment didn't return calls.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601102&sid=alIVN4QzXTws&refer=uk [Broken]A ``significant quantity'' of radioactive material was found in an Italian associate of Alexander Litvinenko, the former Russian spy who died after being poisoned with the same substance.
The amount of polonium 210 found is of immediate concern as a risk to the man's health, rather than a lower dose that may pose a latent cancer risk, a spokesman for the U.K. Health Protection Agency said today. Italy's government said the man is Mario Scaramella, an academic.
not sure about this. he had 100 times+ the lethal dose, so if your account of the polonium source and cost is correct it would be tens of thousands of dollars.It's from Polonium-210, which apparently is freely available in unregulated stuff one could buy online. A quanitity sufficient to produce a fatal dose can be purchased for only a few hundred dollars.
That's not even close. From the website of United Nuclear:It's from Polonium-210, which apparently is freely available in unregulated stuff one could buy online. A quanitity sufficient to produce a fatal dose can be purchased for only a few hundred dollars.
http://www.unitednuclear.com/isotopes.htmYou would need about 15,000 of our Polonium-210 needle sources
at a total cost of about $1 million - to have a toxic amount.
You have an interesting and compelling take on this. I must say that if I had the goods on Putin and/or the FSB, I would be a more than a little nervous about coming out with the proof after this demonstration of his reach. I've been thinking about how this assassination could be pulled off, and it would be very easy once you have the Po 120. I think that the safest way to handle the material would be to suspend it in water to avoid the chance of accidental inhalation. Then deliver it to the food or drink of the victim. It would be a cinch to poison someone if you met them for lunch. If you spill a drop or two on your skin, no problem. The alpha radiation won't penetrate your skin.i think this whole thing is an intimidation tactic aimed at his enemies. his enemies now know that no matter where in the world they are, no matter what they are doing, if putin wants them dead, they are likely to be subject to a vary long painful death where no one can help them so it's a vary bad idea to cross mr. putin
yes, and i think that he is leaving it tracable to him deliberately, as part of his assertion of power. it's like leaving a calling card on a corpse.i think this whole thing is an intimidation tactic aimed at his enemies. his enemies now know that no matter where in the world they are, no matter what they are doing, if putin wants them dead, they are likely to be subject to a vary long painful death where no one can help them so it's a vary bad idea to cross mr. putin
well. not immediately. any land route from europe to *anywhere* has to go through russia. britain is building more LNG terminals at the moment to get gas from the mideast by boat (ooh, another spot with no political issues). we've know for ages that north sea gas was running out, but bizarrely only just started to sort this out.Actually we dont, we choose too for some reason. The EU could as easily shop elsewhere..
You are forgetting Turkey through Asia Minor.well. not immediately. any land route from europe to *anywhere* has to go through russia.
Yeap, IIRC British Gas only thought that the gas in the North sea would last 10 years after they first turned on the pipes and refitted all the gas cookers (saw it on coast--on the beeb). Eastern Europe is more relient on Russia, the EU *can* shop elsewhere...britain is building more LNG terminals at the moment to get gas from the mideast by boat (ooh, another spot with no political issues). we've know for ages that north sea gas was running out, but bizarrely only just started to sort this out.
last time i looked there was the waters of the bosphorus. and turkey is completely sewn up with russia gas wise. russia joint owning the infrastructure etcYou are forgetting Turkey through Asia Minor.
Last time I looked the Istanbul Straight was there as well. Its a whole 700M across, its bridged, it has pipes under and over it, it has a City all around it. Its about the width of the Danube. People drive over it, walk over it, swim across it. Its not exactly stopping any Land Cargo from getting through Turkey to Greece, its not a barrier. Yes its filled with water, well done, for pointing that out. The Fact of the matter is I can WALK to India from Here without getting wet, or getting on a boat, yes I have to cross some bridges... Please dont try and assert that if I want to go over Land to get there I need to go through Russia, because I dont.last time i looked there was the waters of the bosphorus. and turkey is completely sewn up with russia gas wise. russia joint owning the infrastructure etc
and like i said, does europe have the infrastructure to shop elsewhere?
Good, ok, sorrycalm down
i'm not going to argue with you whether a bridge over sea straits qualifies as a land route or not
Thanks I will read that.the question is whether europe has gas supply security should russia wish to exert its influence to threaten that security; or whether, as you contend, we can simply go to a different market.
"We are 100 percent sure who administered the poison, where and how," a police source told the newspaper, which said that Russian authorities were not likely to send the two suspected killers to Britain for trial.
"Both claim to have been contaminated as victims of the plot," the Mirror quoted the source as saying. "The view in Moscow is that we have the wrong men."
The Independent said Litvinenko may have been poisoned days earlier than previously thought and could have been exposed to radioactive material twice. Two Russian businessmen, one a former KGB officer and the other a former Soviet soldier, were subjects of Scotland Yard's investigation.