KiloNewton/Pound foot of thrust into Horsepower units

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The discussion focuses on converting engine thrust from Kilo Newtons and pounds-force into horsepower and watts, highlighting the challenges due to the fundamentally different nature of thrust and power. Participants clarify that there is no direct conversion between thrust and horsepower, emphasizing the need for velocity to calculate power from thrust. The conversation also addresses misconceptions about units, specifically that "pound-foot" is not a valid unit of thrust. Additionally, the distinction between jet engines and turboprop/turboshaft engines is made, noting that only the latter have output shafts that can be measured in horsepower. The thread concludes with a discussion on the relevance of horsepower in modern jet engines, particularly concerning internal components like fans and compressors.
  • #101
David Lewis said:
If you need an airplane with VTOL capability then the Osprey might be one to consider, but you will pay dearly for that capability.

My understanding is a photon will warp spacetime because of its momentum.
You mean by high fuel consumption due to VTOL?
 
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  • #102
Poor fuel efficiency is only the tip of the iceberg.
 
  • #103
David Lewis said:
Poor fuel efficiency is only the tip of the iceberg.
What else?
 
  • #104
Mechanical complexity, low reliability, astronomical acquisition & operating cost, maintenance requirements, accident rate and pilot skill required.
 
  • #105
David Lewis said:
Mechanical complexity, low reliability, astronomical acquisition & operating cost, maintenance requirements, accident rate and pilot skill required.
Yet all these factors can be sorted out in the design upgrades of later class of VOTLs/STOLs. I believe Osprey's current design is good enough to inspire a whole new class of aircrafts without competing with conventional helicopters or fixed wing planes. A lot of its maintenance and handling complexities if any are I believe due to its unique use of twin turbo shafts which perhaps in future designs would become more integrated with the wing and fuselage, making the aircraft easier to operate.
 
  • #106
You're right. As technology advances, VTOL will become more competitive with conventional fixed wing.
 
  • #107
David Lewis said:
You're right. As technology advances, VTOL will become more competitive with conventional fixed wing.
I believe VTOLs will add to the vital side of aviation nomenclature of near future, let's say within a decade or so if I am not over stating. The reliability, frugality, handling parameters, usability and overall performance criteria of conventional fixed wing planes I don't think can be competed with in the traditional operational domains, at least not in foreseeable future.
 
  • #108
David Lewis said:
My understanding is a photon will warp spacetime because of its momentum.
Relativity equation states that energy of a particle is product of its mass and square of its velocity at the speed of light. At this state the particle mass simply converts to energy aligned to universal law of conservation of energy. To go beyond spacetime threshold a force has to be acting on the photon by virtue of its change in momentum or simply it needs to accelerate, p=mv or f=m(v2-v1) which is not possible in our dimension so thankfully spacetime would stay intact. Am i right?
 
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  • #111
This thread has veered a ways off-topic now, so it's a good time to tie it off. Thank you to all who contributed. :smile:
 

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