Kinematic equation without time

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the kinematic equation that omits time, specifically the manipulation and understanding of the equation V02 + 2a(x - x0) = 2V0V + V2. Participants explore the algebraic steps involved in deriving this equation and address errors in expansion and term collection.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the term 2V0V in the equation and requests a step-by-step breakdown.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on the steps taken to arrive at the equation in question.
  • A participant provides a derivation involving the substitution of time and expands the equation, leading to the original form.
  • There is a suggestion to check the expansion of (V - V0)², indicating a potential error in the previous calculations.
  • A participant acknowledges a mistake in their expansion of (V - V0)², realizing it led to an incorrect term that could be canceled out.
  • Another participant shares a personal strategy for avoiding algebraic mistakes during expansions and term collection.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct manipulation of the equation initially, but there is agreement on the importance of careful algebraic expansion and term management. The discussion reflects a mix of understanding and confusion regarding the steps involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential algebraic errors and the importance of correctly expanding terms, but do not resolve the overall understanding of the kinematic equation without time.

Bakatota
Messages
6
Reaction score
0
I understand most of the kinematic equations, but there is just this one equation that omits time from the equation. I always end up with V02+2a(x - x0) = 2V0V + V2

The 2V0V part is what I don't understand how to get rid of. So if you please could you do the equation with steps , I would be very grateful. Thank you.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
What are the steps you took to get to that equation?
 
t = (V - V0)/a

x - x0 = V0((V-V0)/a) + .5a((V - V0/a)2)

x - x0 = (V0V - V02)/a + (V2 + V02)/2a

2a(x - x0) = 2V0V -2V02 + V2 +V02

V02+2a(x - x0) = 2V0V + V2
 
What do you get if you expand ##(V-V_0)^2##?

Edit: By the way, something seems to be wrong with the brackets in the last term of your second equation. I assumed that was just a typo, but if they look right to you then you need tk think about that too.
 
Last edited:
Oh I see what I did wrong. As you intimated, I did not expand (V - V0)2 correctly. Now I have -2V0V to cancel out.
 
That's right. Algebraic slips can be hard to spot. I sometimes write each term on a separate line when I'm expanding brackets, which makes it easier for me to not get distracted when I'm doing it. Then when I'm collecting terms together I put a little tick above each one as I copy it on to the next line so I don't lose one or double one up by accident. You can also count terms. You know that ##(V-V_0)^2## should give you three terms when expanded - that would have caught this error because your expansion only had two.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 49 ·
2
Replies
49
Views
4K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
6K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
8K
  • · Replies 29 ·
Replies
29
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
5K