Kinematics Equations: When to Use Each?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the conditions for using the three kinematics equations in physics, particularly in scenarios involving constant acceleration. Participants seek clarification on when each equation is applicable and how to determine the correct equation based on given variables in problems, especially in the context of a ball thrown vertically under varying gravitational conditions.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the specific conditions under which each kinematics equation can be used, particularly focusing on the first equation, vf = vi + at.
  • Others suggest that any of the equations can be used when all but one variable is known, but emphasize the need for constant acceleration.
  • A participant points out that the first equation can be used when the final velocity is zero, as in the case of a ball thrown upward.
  • Another participant notes that the equations should not mix components of velocity and acceleration, stressing the importance of treating them as vectors.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the applicability of the equations in scenarios where acceleration is not constant, indicating that this is a limitation in many real-world problems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the kinematics equations apply under conditions of constant acceleration, but there is disagreement regarding the applicability of these equations in various scenarios, particularly when acceleration may not be constant. The discussion remains unresolved on the best approach to take in such cases.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight that the equations are valid only under constant acceleration and caution against mixing components of motion. There is also mention of the need for clarity on the definitions of velocity and acceleration in vector terms.

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I would greatly appreciate it if someone can clarify the conditions on when to use to each of the kinematics equations, because I end up with the wrong answer for using the wrong equations of the 3.

1. vf = vi + at
When can I use this and when cannot?

2. vf^2 = vi^2 + 2a(xf-xi)
When can I use this and when cannot?

3. (xf-xi) = vi t + at^2/2
When can I use this and when cannot?For example: Suppose a ball is thrown vertically upward from Earth with velocity v and returns to its original height in time t. If the g value is reduced to g/6 then what would t be?

Why use equation 1 which will result in a time increasing by a factor of 6. If I use the second equation time will be increased by a factor of 6^1/2 ?
 
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applepies said:
1. vf = vi + at
When can I use this and when cannot?

2. vf^2 = vi^2 + 2a(xf-xi)
When can I use this and when cannot?

3. (xf-xi) = vi t + at^2/2
When can I use this and when cannot?

You can use any of these any time you have values for all of the variables except one.

applepies said:
For example: Suppose a ball is thrown vertically upward from Earth with velocity v and returns to its original height in time t. If the g value is reduced to g/6 then what would t be?

We know that the ball will eventually come to a stop before reversing direction and accelerating back to Earth. We also know that the time it takes the ball to rise to its maximum height is the same as the time it takes it to fall back to Earth from that height. That means, depending on what values we know, we can solve for the time taken to either rise or fall and then double that value.

applepies said:
Why use equation 1 which will result in a time increasing by a factor of 6. If I use the second equation time will be increased by a factor of 6^1/2 ?

Looking at the equations and your problem, what variables do we have values for? What information do we know? We know the initial velocity, which immediately suggests that we should solve for the time taken for the ball to rise to its maximum height. Since we are solving for the rise, we know that the final velocity is zero. We also know the acceleration of gravity and the initial position, but we don't know the final position nor do we know the time. Looking at your equations, it looks like the only equation that we have a single unknown for is equation 1.

Both equation 2 and equation 3 have two unknowns each (##x_f## and ##t##), so we cannot use them.
 
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Thank you for the clarification!

Just to make sure I understand it this, if I was given the change in distance, the velocity, and acceleration, I would have to use (xf-xi) = vi t + at^2/2 to find t but I can't use vf = vi + at, because this doesn't account for the change in distance ?
 
applepies said:
Just to make sure I understand it this, if I was given the change in distance, the velocity, and acceleration, I would have to use (xf-xi) = vi t + at^2/2 to find t but I can't use vf = vi + at, because this doesn't account for the change in distance ?

That's right in general. But there are special cases. In your example above, we weren't given ##v_f## but we were able to use equation 1. That's because we were able to use zero for the final velocity because of the particular way the ball moves under gravity. In another situation you might not be able to do that and so you wouldn't be able to use equation one or two since you wouldn't have ##v_f## or ##t##.
 
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Thank you so much! I feel like I have gotten through a small mound in the massive world of physics.
 
First step in solving any physics problem: determine what relevant information you're given. :wink:
 
applepies said:
1. vf = vi + at
When can I use this and when cannot?

2. vf^2 = vi^2 + 2a(xf-xi)
When can I use this and when cannot?

3. (xf-xi) = vi t + at^2/2
When can I use this and when cannot?

It should be clarified that these equations are valid only when you have constant acceleration.

The v's refer to "components of velocity" [or possibly vectors] but not speeds.
The a's refer to "components of acceleration" [or possibly vectors] but not magnitudes-of-acceleration.

In addition, one should not mix-up x-components with y-components.
For example...
##\vec v_f = \vec v_i + \vec at##
or
##v_{x,f} = v_{x,i} + a_x t##
##v_{y,f} = v_{y,i} + a_y t##
Similarly,
## v_{x,f}^2 = v_{x,i}^2 + 2a_x(x_f-x_i)##
## v_{y,f}^2 = v_{y,i}^2 + 2a_y(y_f-y_i)##

Similarly,
##(x_f-x_i) = v_{x,i} t + a_xt^2/2##
##(y_f-y_i) = v_{y,i} t + a_yt^2/2##

..but never write, for example,
a horizontal displacement:
[generally false] ##(x_f-x_i) = v_{x,i} t + (-g)t^2/2##
or
[generally false] ##(x_f-x_i) = v t + (-g)t^2/2##, where ##v=|\vec v|##.
 
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You could use something like this. Just write in the known variables and a ? for the unknown and line up against the ticks in the formula table to select the correct formula.

Formula table.jpg
 
Drakkith said:
You can use any of these any time you have values for all of the variables except one.
Well, not really. These equations only apply when the acceleration is constant. That is not true in most real problems of interest.
 
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Dr.D said:
Well, not really. These equations only apply when the acceleration is constant. That is not true in most real problems of interest.

Absolutely.
 

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