Kinematic equations - What do they mean?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the kinematic equations used in physics, particularly in the context of a Physics 201 course. Participants explore the meanings, applications, and derivations of these equations, as well as the challenges faced by students in understanding them.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Mike expresses confusion about the kinematic equations and seeks clarification on their meanings.
  • Some participants suggest that understanding the derivation of the equations may help in applying them effectively.
  • There is a discussion about the variability of course numbering across institutions, indicating that "Physics 201" may not have a universal meaning.
  • One participant outlines a common pattern for solving kinematics problems, emphasizing the relationship between the variables involved.
  • There is a debate about the derivation of the fourth kinematic equation, with some asserting that calculus is necessary while others claim it can be derived from the first two equations without calculus.
  • Participants note the importance of recognizing the context of the problem to determine which kinematic equation to use.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the necessity of calculus for deriving the fourth kinematic equation, with differing opinions on this matter. Additionally, there is no clear agreement on the best approach to understanding and applying the kinematic equations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the challenges students face in understanding kinematic equations, including the need for clarity on variable relationships and the derivation of equations. There are also references to the ambiguity of course numbering and its implications for understanding course content.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students in introductory physics courses, educators looking for insights into common student challenges, and anyone interested in the application of kinematic equations in physics.

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I'm in a physics 201 course and very confused about the kinematic equations. Is there anybody out there who can describe what each one means?

Thanks,

Mike
 
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Yes those are the ones. What is it that I should be looking for when applying these equations? Is it just a matter of feasibility?

Thanks,

Mike
 
marshall104 said:
What is it that I should be looking for when applying these equations?
It's hard to give generic advice without seeing the kind of problem that's bugging you. Like anything else, it depends on what you're given and what you're trying to find. Often you'll have to use several kinematic relationships to solve a problem.
 
marshall104 said:
I'm in a physics 201 course

Note that "Physics 201" tells us diddly-squat about what the course is about. Different colleges and universities use different systems of course numbers. Where I teach, we don't have a Physics 201. The closest number we've ever had is 203 which was our Introductory Astronomy course. :smile:

It sounds like the course you're taking is similar to our Physics 121 (General Physics I, which doesn't use calculus) or perhaps Physics 214 (Physics with Calculus I), which are introductory courses for non-majors and physics majors respectively. What those numbers mean at your school is something else again...
 
To get a better feel for the kinematics equations, I suggest you learn how they are derived. That will make you more comfortable with using them.
 
marshall104 said:
I'm in a physics 201 course and very confused about the kinematic equations. Is there anybody out there who can describe what each one means?

Thanks,

Mike

They simply describe motion of point masses for the special case of constant acceleration (and no air resistance, etc). Using the definition of velocity v = (change in position)/(time interval) and acceleration a = (change of velocity)/(time interval), one can derive 3 of the 4 kinematic equations:

vf = vi + a*t
xf = x1 + vi*t + 1/2 a*t^2
v_average = (vi+vf)/2

The fourth one, vf^2 = vi^2 + 2a(xf - xi), I confess is a bit of a mystery to me. I think one needs calculus to derive it, and it is also special in that 'time' is not a part of the expression.
 
There's a usual pattern for solving kinematics problems that most people use. You have five variables (V_i, V_f, a, t and s). You have four formulas for which it is true that each formula mentions four of the five variables, and doesn't mention one of the five variables. A word problem that you must solve also mentions four variables, in the form of giving values for three of them and asking you to find one of them, and the word problem doesn't mention one of the variables, in that it doesn't give a value for it and also doesn't ask you to find it. Getting accustomed to that pattern immediately tells you which formula to use. Given a word problem, you just ask yourself which of the formulas mentions the same four variables, and omits any mention of the same one variable, that the problem does.

When I say that a problem "gives" a value for a variable, it might be encoded in words, for example, the phrase "dropped from rest" means V_i = 0, "comes to rest" means v_f=0, "projectile reaches its maximum height" means v_f=0, "falls near the surface of the earth" means a=-g, etc.
 
Andy Resnick said:
The fourth one, vf^2 = vi^2 + 2a(xf - xi), I confess is a bit of a mystery to me. I think one needs calculus to derive it, and it is also special in that 'time' is not a part of the expression.

Not at all. It can easily be derived from:

vf = vi + a*t
xf = x1 + vi*t + 1/2 a*t^2

Just isolate t in the first equation and substitute into the second.
 
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ideasrule said:
Not at all. It can easily be derived from:

vf = vi + a*t
xf = x1 + vi*t + 1/2 a*t^2

Just isolate t in the first equation and substitute into the second.

thank you!
 
  • #11
in your basic kinematic problems, there are four variables: position, velocity, acceleration, and time. You just need to know which equation to use with the variables you have.
 

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