Kinematics motion - Dancers pausing at top of their leap

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The discussion revolves around the kinematics of vertical leaps, specifically focusing on the perception of "hanging" motion experienced by dancers and athletes at the peak of their jumps. Participants are tasked with determining the fraction of time spent in the upper half of the jump, defined as the time spent above half the maximum height.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between time spent in different segments of the jump and the equations governing vertical motion. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of maximum height and the implications of initial velocity on time calculations. Some suggest using quadratic equations to find roots, while others question the necessity of numerical values for certain variables.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and questioning each other's reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the simplification of equations and the treatment of gravitational acceleration. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly concerning the use of symbols versus numerical values.

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Participants are navigating constraints such as the need to express time as a function of height and gravitational acceleration, as well as the challenge of maintaining clarity in their equations. There is also a discussion on the conventions used for defining gravitational acceleration.

  • #31
TSny said:
Seems like that question is leading us aside. We have a couple of choices. We can continue your line of thinking (which is getting you pretty close to the result) or we can step back and start all over with a different approach that will lead to the answer with the least amount of calculation (for example, haruspex's method).

Which would you like to do?

I'll like to finish up with my line of reasoning.
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Then run another loop using a different method.
 
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  • #32
OK, it's getting pretty late here where I am. But let's finish up your line of reasoning.

So, going back to ##h-h/2=.5(v_i+v_f)t##, what do you get for t after using your result for ##v_i##?

[EDIT. Oops , I see you already have done this. But you made a mistake in the algebra. h should appear in your answer for t.]
 
  • #33
TSny said:
OK, it's getting pretty late here where I am. But let's finish up your line of reasoning.

So, going back to ##h-h/2=.5(v_i+v_f)t##, what do you get for t after using your result for ##v_i##?

As above

If the above is true, then, what follows is basic division and algebraic manipulation.
 
  • #34
Your answer for t should contain h as well as g.
 
  • #35
TSny said:
Your answer for t should contain h as well as g.

It did until I did some cancelling
 
  • #36
Show the steps you used so we can identify your mistake.
 
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  • #37
tsny said:
show the steps you used so we can identify your mistake.

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  • #38
Good until the last line. How would you simplify ##\frac{h}{\sqrt{h}}##?
 
  • #39
TSny said:
Good until the last line. How would you simplify ##\frac{h}{\sqrt{h}}##?

h.h^-0.5
 
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  • #40
TSny said:
Good until the last line. How would you simplify ##\frac{h}{\sqrt{h}}##?

above
 
  • #41
Can you simplify ##h\cdot h^{-1/2}##?
 
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  • #42
TSny said:
Can you simplify ##h\;h^{-1/2}##?

equals h^(0.5)
sqrt(h)

This is it.
 
  • #43
Good. So you have shown
##\frac{h}{\sqrt{-gh}} = \frac{h}{\sqrt{-g}\;\sqrt{h}} = \frac{h}{\sqrt{-g}\;h^{1/2}} = \frac{\sqrt{h}}{\sqrt{-g}}= \sqrt{-\frac{h}{g}} ##
 
  • #44
So, you have now found the time to go from 0 to h and also the time to go from h/2 to h.
 
  • #45
TSny said:
So, you have now found the time to go from 0 to h and also the time to go from h/2 to h.

So it's just basic division and cancellation left.
 
  • #46
Yes.
 
  • #47
TSny said:
Yes.

I'll finish it up and post it. Thanks!
 
  • #48
OK. I will check tomorrow. Cheers!
 
  • #49
Answer is 70.7%
 
  • #50
Yes, that's the right answer.
 

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