Kinematics of Euler Bernoulli and Timoshenko Beam Elements

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The discussion focuses on the kinematics of Euler-Bernoulli and Timoshenko beam elements, exploring the mathematical derivations and practical applications of each theory in beam deflection analysis. Participants examine the assumptions underlying each model and their implications in various scenarios.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants explain that in Euler beam theory, the slope of the beam (dw/dx) is assumed to be small and corresponds to the angle of rotation of the beam.
  • It is noted that the Euler-Bernoulli theory assumes cross sections remain perpendicular to the neutral axis, which relates the angle of a cross section to the beam's slope.
  • Concerns are raised about the coordinate system used in the schematic, with one participant expressing that it is drawn in a "left handed" manner, affecting the interpretation of signs in the equations.
  • Participants discuss the additional shear strain in Timoshenko beam theory, which accounts for the non-perpendicularity of plane sections to the neutral axis.
  • Questions arise regarding the derivation of the term z(dw/dx) and its relationship to trigonometric functions, with some clarification provided about the use of sine and cosine for small angles.
  • Practical examples are sought regarding when Euler-Bernoulli theory may not be appropriate, particularly in cases of significant shear flexibility or complex beam geometries.
  • Some participants suggest that for rectangular beams, Euler-Bernoulli theory is valid when the length-to-depth ratio exceeds certain thresholds, while others advocate for using Timoshenko theory in finite element analysis regardless of the correction's significance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of Euler-Bernoulli theory in various applications, indicating that no consensus exists on specific scenarios where it should be avoided. There is also ongoing clarification regarding the mathematical expressions and their derivations.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention limitations related to shear flexibility and the complexity of beam cross-sections, suggesting that the applicability of each theory may depend on specific conditions and assumptions that are not fully resolved in the discussion.

bugatti79
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Folks,

Trying to get some appreciation for what is going on in the attached schematic of 1)Euler bernoulli and 2) Timoshenko beam elements.

For the first one, ie the top picture, how was ##u- z \frac{dw}{dx}## arrived at?

thanks
 

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dw/dx is the slope of the beam, which is assumed to be small. So dw/dx is also the angle the beam has rotated, in radians.

The top picture (Euler beam theory) assumes that cross sections of the beam stay perpendicular to the neutral axis. So the angle between a cross section and the vertical is the same as the slope of the beam.

The picture is (stupidly, IMHO) drawn with a "left handed" coordinate system (z and w positive downwards not upwards) which is where the minus signs come from.

In the bottom picture (Timoshenko beam theory) plane sections of the beam do not stay perpendicular to the neutral axis, so there is an extra shear strain (measured by angle gamma) involved.
 
AlephZero said:
dw/dx is the slope of the beam, which is assumed to be small. So dw/dx is also the angle the beam has rotated, in radians.
Ok

AlephZero said:
The top picture (Euler beam theory) assumes that cross sections of the beam stay perpendicular to the neutral axis. So the angle between a cross section and the vertical is the same as the slope of the beam.
I understand this.

AlephZero said:
The picture is (stupidly, IMHO) drawn with a "left handed" coordinate system (z and w positive downwards not upwards) which is where the minus signs come from.
Ok, how does the ##z\frac{dw}{dx}## come about? Is this equivalent to Z times the cos of the angle?

AlephZero said:
In the bottom picture (Timoshenko beam theory) plane sections of the beam do not stay perpendicular to the neutral axis, so there is an extra shear strain (measured by angle gamma) involved.
Thanks
 
bugatti79 said:
Ok, how does the ##z\frac{dw}{dx}## come about? Is this equivalent to Z times the cos of the angle?

dw/dx is the sine of the angle (sin θ = θ for small angles) but you are right about the basic idea.
 
What practical examples are there where one shouldn't use Euler-Bernouilli to track beam deflection etc. Would it for applications of plastic loading?

Thanks
 
bugatti79 said:
What practical examples are there where one shouldn't use Euler-Bernouilli to track beam deflection etc.

When the flexibility in shear is significant compared with the flexibility in pure bending.

For a rectangular section beam, Euler is OK when length/depth > 10 (some people say > 20).

For a more complicated criss sections, and/or composite beams made from several materials, you have to consider each case on its own merits.

With computer software like finite element analysis, you might as wel always use the Timoshenko formulation. Even if the correction is neglibile, it doesn't cause any numerical problems to include it.
 

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