Kinematics problem but no numbers given?

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The discussion revolves around a kinematics problem involving a car and a dragster. The car travels at a constant speed while the dragster accelerates from rest. Participants express confusion about how to approach the problem without specific numerical values, particularly regarding the calculations of time until collision and the positions of both vehicles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants suggest solving the problem algebraically first and substituting numbers later. There is discussion about the equations of motion for both vehicles and how to set them equal to find the time of collision.
  • Some participants question the lack of initial position information for the car and how to incorporate it into their calculations.
  • There are inquiries about the correct interpretation of velocity references and how to derive expressions for time and distance.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing their thoughts on the necessary equations and the implications of initial conditions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to account for the car's starting position and how to set up equations for the positions of both vehicles at the time of collision.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem lacks specific numerical values initially, which adds to the confusion. There is an emphasis on understanding the relationship between the car's initial position and the dragster's motion, as well as the need to define a reference point for position calculations.

  • #31
That just means that the drag racer waits until he knows the car will just miss his bumper at the later time t = t_max. So when the dragster starts off there is a certain distance (i.e. d_start) between him and the car. If he started just before the car hit him then there would definitely be a crash unless the dragser could accelerate almost instantly.
 
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  • #32
Kurdt said:
That just means that the drag racer waits until he knows the car will just miss his bumper at the later time t = t_max. So when the dragster starts off there is a certain distance (i.e. d_start) between him and the car. If he started just before the car hit him then there would definitely be a crash unless the dragser could accelerate almost instantly.

ok... but since it's a distance, not a vector, it shouldn't have a negative sign for the answer... and when I plug in the givens to d = 1/2at^2 - v1t, I get a negative answer... ;;
 
  • #33
From the way the question is set up it is in the negative x direction if you like. To make it work in the equations it must have a minus sign that is.
 
  • #34
Kurdt said:
From the way the question is set up it is in the negative x direction if you like. To make it work in the equations it must have a minus sign that is.

so practically, i found the displacement...
a distance can't have a negative sign, right? is there a way to cancel it out somehow?? because it says in the question that the answer for the distance should never be negative.
 
  • #35
Yes, just leave the minus sign out. :smile:
 
  • #36
so... if v = 25m/s and a = 50m/s^2..
i get a negative answer...
but just write it as a positive?!
 
  • #37
just changing the negative answer to a positive answer is allowed?!
 
  • #38
What you're doing is finding the magnitude of a vector, except since this is 1D the magnitude will be \sqrt{-s_0^2}.
 
  • #39
ummm.. kurdt?
big problem here...
after all this work, the computer says tmax does not equal v/a...
it says that it doesn't depend on the variable, v...
what do i do? T.T
maybe technical error? should it be v0?
 
  • #40
It should certainly depend on the speed of the car.
 
  • #41
ok technical mistake whew!
i had to write v_0 / a
now... for dstart... since this is really sensitive about technicality...
i shoud write dstart = 1/2atmax^2 -v_0tmax right? not just t?
 
  • #42
I don't know the system but write whatever you think it will accept. :smile:
 
  • #43
i wrote d_start = 1/2at_max^2 - v_0t_max...
and it says it contains an incorrect multiplier or is missing one... huh?!
 
  • #44
I have no experience with these things. I used to hand in bits of paper with squiggles on. I suggest seeing if the thing has a FAQ or is there anyone around that you can ask for advice? A tutor maybe.
 
  • #45
so you don't think there's anything wrong with the equation, just physics wise?
 
  • #46
No it looks fine.
 
  • #47
Kurdt said:
No it looks fine.

soo... according to our teacher, there may be something wrong with the equation itself..T.T
not the way I input it...
he said I'm figuring out "your distance from the dragster when he started". and that i shouldn't forget the additional point
made in this question about assuming that the dragster starts at x=0 when t=0.

d_start = 1/2at_max^2 - v_0t_max

I honestly can't figure out what's wrong...
why would it say incorrect multiplier or is missing one?? grr what is wrong with this equation??
 
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  • #48
Well that's exactly what you have done and is the reason that extra distance term appears in the cars distance equation. I'm just thinking the distance equation for the car might have to subtract the the distance since it starts behind the dragster and the direction they travel in is defined positive.
 
  • #49
Kurdt said:
Well that's exactly what you have done and is the reason that extra distance term appears in the cars distance equation. I'm just thinking the distance equation for the car might have to subtract the the distance since it starts behind the dragster and the direction they travel in is defined positive.

...
I'm still not quite sure how to change the equation to make it right..
subtract which distance?
ahhh i don't get it...!
 

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