Kinetic and potential energies of a harmonic oscillator

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The discussion revolves around comparing the kinetic and potential energies of a quantum harmonic oscillator with those of a classical harmonic oscillator. The original poster presents a problem involving expectation values of energy in quantum mechanics and seeks to understand how these values relate to classical mechanics.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the interpretation of expectation values for kinetic and potential energies in both quantum and classical contexts. There are questions regarding whether the problem is simply asking for a comparison of these values and what additional insights might be required.

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The discussion is ongoing, with some participants suggesting that the original poster has already calculated the necessary values and may be close to concluding the comparison. However, there remains uncertainty about whether further analysis or a deeper understanding is needed.

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Participants note that the problem involves comparing average energy values, and there is an emphasis on understanding the implications of these values in both quantum and classical frameworks. The original poster expresses some uncertainty about the initial steps in addressing the problem.

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Problem:

In a harmonic oscillator

\left\langle V \right\rangle=\left\langle K \right\rangle=\frac{E_{0}}{2}

How does this result compare with the classical values of K and V?

Solution:

For a classical harmonic oscillator

V=1/2kx^2
K=1/2mv^2

I don't really know where to begin. Is it safe to say that quantum oscillator must depend on the average values of the kinetic and potential energies? Also, the values of the energies in the classical system are conserved in such a way to conserve total mechanical energy.
 
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Is the problem statement telling you that the expectation values for the kinetic and potential energies are each E/2 in the quantum case?

If so then perhaps it wants you to calculate the average values in the classical case and show that they're the same.
 
Pagan Harpoon said:
Is the problem statement telling you that the expectation values for the kinetic and potential energies are each E/2 in the quantum case?

If so then perhaps it wants you to calculate the average values in the classical case and show that they're the same.

Oh yes, I've already done that. I calculated <U> and <K> separately.
 
Then haven't you already solved the problem? If you have the expectation values for the kinetic and potential energies in both the classical and quantum cases, then you can compare them and see that they are the same.

Is the question asking you for something more?
 
The question is simply asking to compare the expectation values <V> and <K> of the quantum harmonic oscillator (given above) with the classical values of V and K.
 
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If I were faced with that question, I would calculate the average values for V and K in the classical case (which you have done) and then comment that they are the same as the expectation values in the quantum case - that's how they compare, they're the same.

What more do you want to do?
 

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