Special Relativity kinetic energy

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The problem involves calculating the total kinetic energy of two protons moving towards each other at relativistic speeds in different reference frames, specifically in frame S' and frame S. The subject area is special relativity and kinetic energy calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the kinetic energy using the formula K = γ(1/2)mv^2 but questions the validity of their result compared to a textbook answer. Other participants suggest using a different formula, K = (γ - 1)mc^2, and question the appropriateness of the original poster's method.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the correctness of the kinetic energy formula used by the original poster. Some have provided alternative approaches and questioned the assumptions behind the original method, indicating a productive discussion on the topic.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of a potential discrepancy between the original poster's calculations and the textbook answer, as well as concerns about the reliability of the textbook. The discussion highlights the need for clarity on the appropriate relativistic kinetic energy formula.

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Homework Statement


In reference frame S', two protons, each moving at .500c, approach each other head-on. a) calculate the total kinetic energy of the two protons in frame S'. b) Calculate the total kinetic energy of the protons as seen in the reference frame S, which is moving with one of the protons.



Homework Equations


E = mc^2 + K
K = γ1/2mv^2
Proton rest mass = 938 MeV/c^2

The Attempt at a Solution


So for part A I just found the kinetic energy of one of the protons given by γ(1/2)mv^2
(1.1547)(1/2)(938)(.25) * 2 = 270 MeV.. and the back of the book says 290 MeV.. but this textbook is known for having a lot of wrong answers, can anyone verify whether I am correct or incorrect?
 
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I get 290.22MeV Note:
##K=(\gamma-1)mc^2## because ##E=\gamma mc^2##
 
what is incorrect about my method of using the equation K = γ1/2mv^2 to obtain the answer?
 
PsychonautQQ said:
what is incorrect about my method of using the equation K = γ1/2mv^2 to obtain the answer?
It looks like you just took the non-relativistic expression for KE (1/2mv^2), which is only good for low speeds, and thought you could make it relativistically correct by slapping on a gamma. But that doesn't work. Simon Bridge gave the correct formula.
 
PsychonautQQ said:
what is incorrect about my method of using the equation K = γ1/2mv^2 to obtain the answer?
DocAl is correct - ##K\neq \gamma\frac{1}{2}mv^2##
What lead you to believe the equation would be correct?
 

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