Kinetic energy of fluid + collision

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The discussion revolves around the kinetic energy of a fluid in motion and its interaction with solid surfaces during collisions. Participants explore the implications of fluid dynamics, specifically focusing on whether all molecules of a fluid collide with a solid object and the definitions of related quantities such as kinetic power and mass flow rate.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether all molecules of a fluid collide with a solid when the fluid flows against it.
  • Another participant uses the analogy of a penny in a river to illustrate the concept of molecular collisions with a solid object.
  • There is a discussion about the quantity ρAv, with some participants asserting that it is not a volume, while others attempt to clarify its meaning in terms of mass flow rate.
  • One participant emphasizes that velocity multiplied by surface area results in a volumetric flow rate, and multiplying by density gives a mass flow rate.
  • A suggestion is made for the original poster to rephrase their question quantitatively, emphasizing the need for consistent dimensions in comparisons.
  • Another participant reiterates the relationship between kinetic energy and power in the context of fluid collisions, questioning whether all molecules in the mass flow rate are involved in collisions with the solid.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of molecular collisions in fluid dynamics, with no consensus reached on whether all molecules collide with a solid or how to interpret the quantities involved.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the definitions and relationships between kinetic energy, mass flow rate, and volumetric flow rate, as well as the assumptions underlying the analogy used in the discussion.

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Hello,

When a fluid is flowing, it has of course a kinetic energy and thus we can define kinetic power equal to ρAv v is the velocity and A is the surface of a solid for example. I have a question (maybe it is a strange one) : When fluid collides with a solid, do all the molecules collide with the solid or some of them or we cannot know?

Thanks
 
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When you put a penny in a river, does ever molecule of water collide with the penny?
 
Vanadium 50 said:
When you put a penny in a river, does ever molecule of water collide with the penny?
I am talking about the quantity ρAv
 
tonyjk said:
I am talking about the quantity ρAv

Which is not a volume.
 
Vanadium 50 said:
Which is not a volume.
how it is the mass of the volume Av
 
tonyjk said:
how it is the mass of the volume Av

I don't understand that. It is not a sentence, and Av is neither a mass nor a volume.
 
Vanadium 50 said:
I don't understand that. It is not a sentence, and Av is neither a mass nor a volume.
Velocity multiply by surface you will get m3/s so it is a volumetric flow rate. If you multiply by ρ(rho) we will get mass flow rate.
 
We're not getting anywhere. Why not pose your question again, as quantitatively as you can: using expressions for as many terms as you want to compare as possible. Keep in mind that quantities that you want to compare need to have the same dimensions.
 
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When we say that a fluid has a kinetic energy equal to 1/2 M V2 colliding with a solid, usually we talk about the power of the fluid that is equal to 1/2ρAV3 where V is the velocity of the fluid and A is the surface of the solid. My question is: in the quantity ρAV (mass flow rate), all the molecules in this mass flow is colliding with the solid or it is just like a collision between two solids?
 

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