Kinetic Friction, did I do this properly?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem related to kinetic friction and motion on an inclined plane. The original poster presents a scenario involving a skier pushing off with ski poles to achieve an initial velocity and subsequently coming to rest due to frictional forces.

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  • Participants explore the calculations related to forces acting on the skier, including gravitational and frictional forces. There are discussions about the necessity of including the force applied by the skier to achieve initial velocity and how it affects the overall motion.

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Some participants affirm the original poster's calculations while others raise questions about the completeness of the analysis, particularly regarding the initial force applied by the skier. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of this force on the skier's acceleration and motion.

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Participants mention the limitations of the textbook used by the original poster, suggesting that it may not adequately explain the concepts involved in the problem. There is also a reference to the importance of considering initial momentum in the context of the skier's motion.

Imperil
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I was hoping somebody could check over my work and see if I have the correct answer for this problem, as my text hasn't been the greatest in explaining this.

QUESTION
A sight seen on many bunny hills across Ontario is young skiers pushing on ski poles and gliding down a slope until they come to rest. Observing from a distance, you note a young person (approximately 25 kg) pushing off with the ski poles to give herself an initial velocity of 3.5 m/s. If the inclination of the hill is 5.0 degrees and the coefficient of kinetic friction for the skis on dry snow is 0.20, calculate

a) the time taken for the skier to come to a stop
b) the distance traveled down the hill

MY ANSWER
Fa = Fgh - Ff
= Fg sin 5(degrees) - ukFn
= mg sin 5(degrees) - uk mg cos 5(degrees)
= (25kg)(9.8 m/s^2)(0.08716) - (0.20)(25kg)(9.8 m/s^2)(0.9962)
= -27.5N

F = ma
a = -27.5N / 25kg
a = -1.1m/s^2

delta t = (vf - vi) / a
= (0 - 3.5m/s) / -1.1m/s^2
= 3.2s

a) Therefore it takes the skier 3.2 seconds to come to a stop.

delta d = vi(t)+0.5(a)(t)^2
= (3.5 m/s)(3.2s) + 0.5(-1.1m/s^2)(3.2s)^2
= 11.2m - 5.632m
= 5.568m
= 5.6m

b) Therefore the skier traveled 5.6 meters down the hill.

Thanks so much for your time, I really appreciate it!
 
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Quite correct. However, note that there was no need to multiply the mass to find Fa, since in the next step you divided by m to find a. Next time you may save time by using only symbols until the last step.
 
The whole procedure is perfect.

But...
The person does apply some force as he gives some initial velocity to himself.

So you have to consider that also.
 
It has been taken into consideration in the value of the initial velocity.
 
Great thanks so much for the help! I was hoping I was on the right track, unfortunately the text I must use is not ideal :(
 
Shooting star said:
It has been taken into consideration in the value of the initial velocity.

No

That is taken for the kinematics equation.

We do have to consider the force which the person applies.

His acc is not merely due to mgsin but also due to the force which the person applies.
 
Imperil said:
Great thanks so much for the help! I was hoping I was on the right track, unfortunately the text I must use is not ideal :(

If you can afford then go for Halliday Resnick.
It is the best book for physics.
 
FedEx said:
No

That is taken for the kinematics equation.

We do have to consider the force which the person applies.

His acc is not merely due to mgsin but also due to the force which the person applies.

His initial speed is due to an impulsive force, with which he has pushed off and which had given him an initial momentum. After that, this impulsive force has ceased to exist, and the dynamics of motion is solely governed by m, g, uk, angle of the slope and initial velocity.
 
Ok then let's talk about a horizontal skiing surface. In case of an horizontal surface there is no mgsin so why does in that case the person is able to move though it would be a short distance?
 
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Because of the initial momentum imparted to the person due to an impulsive force created by whatever means. He may push at the ground by means of the ski poles, or somebody may push him. If he does not have any other means of propulsion, ultimately he'll come to rest due to friction.
 

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