Kinetics friction question: derive acceleration of aircraft

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The discussion revolves around deriving the acceleration of an aircraft in a catapult system, focusing on the forces acting on two masses involved: the aircraft and the catapult. Participants explore the application of Newton's laws and free body diagrams (FBD) to analyze the system, addressing concepts of tension and friction.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • A participant presents a problem involving the acceleration of an aircraft and the forces acting on two masses, seeking assistance with the derivation.
  • Another participant suggests that the tension in the rope should be uniform and questions the presence of friction for the second mass.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between the tensions at the two masses and the implications for the equations of motion.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the forces leading to zero acceleration for mass B, indicating a need for clarification on the equations used.
  • Another participant provides equations for the forces acting on both masses and suggests substituting values to eliminate variables and simplify the problem.
  • A later reply confirms a derived relationship between the accelerations of the two masses, indicating progress in the problem-solving process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to analyze the free body diagrams and the forces involved, but there are uncertainties regarding the assumptions about tension and friction, as well as the implications for acceleration. The discussion remains exploratory with no consensus on the final derivation.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the direction of forces and the presence of friction for the second mass, indicating potential limitations in their assumptions. The discussion also highlights the complexity of relating the accelerations of the two masses.

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1. Hello there, I am a first year undergraduate mechanical engineering student, looking for help on a question. "Figure Q2 shoes a schematic diagram for an aircraft catapult system. The aircraft is represented by the mass A (Ma), and μ is the coefficient of friction between the aircraft and deck. Mass B (Mb) represents the mass of the catapult system. Show that the acceleration of the aircraft is given by:
\ddot{x}a = (-2P + μMag)/(Ma + 4Mb)
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2. ƩF = ma



3. I first drew out the FBD of the two masses. I was unsure of the direction of the friction forces for each mass and if there even is a friction force for mass B? I was also unsure if the tension in the rope at mass B is equal to the force P? I have also attached the figure in this post. Please Help, my exam is next week!
 

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I cannot see your figure but am able to see your FBD, the tension in a rope should be uniform throughout the length of a rope, so by drawing a FBD for only Mass B what is the tension in the rope? There is no mention of a friction coefficient at Mass B so assume there are none and only at mass A.
What is the forces acting on the aircraft(Mass A)? Draw a FBD for mass A alone...
 
I assume then that the tension in the rope at B is P, and the tension at A is 2P? However, doing this means that when I write F=ma for mass B, the sum of the forces in the x direction is zero since P and P cancel out? Surely this cannot be right?
 
Yes I agree, must have put that wrong, draw FBD's for both your masses. Let's start there and give the tension in your rope a value of T...
Draw this and let's move from there. Choose a positive direction for your axis.
Also from inspection what do you think the acceleration of A would be in terms of the acceleration of B?
 
Hi there, I have done the FBD for both masses and I have got to a certain point but I am stuck on mass B as the acceleration keeps adding to zero.. making it hard to do anything with the equation! I have attached my working to this message. Thanks for your help, I really appreciate it.
 

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So the equations you have is:
-T_a + μM_ag = m_a*x_a for A
note x_a is acceleration of a...
-T_b + P = m_b*x_b
note x_b is acceleration of b...
you stated that T_a = 2T_b so substitute that into equation 1.

You state that Tb = -P? This should not be assumed, because that will result in no acceleration indeed...
Try defining equation 2 in terms of T_b, and substitute that into equation 1 in the place of T_b, see where I'm going with this? you now eliminated T_b to get P into your equation... We will work from there.
 
YES! I got it.
So the acceleration of A is -0.5 * the acceleration of B? and then substituting equation 2 into equation one along with the acceleration of A gives the correct answer. Thanks so much!
 
YES! Big pleasure glad I could help...
 

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