Kinetics Question (Dependant motion, gravity, pulleys)

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The discussion revolves around a kinetics problem involving dependent motion, gravity, and pulleys, where the original poster is struggling with setting up equations correctly and interpreting acceleration signs. The context includes a specific problem from a textbook that the poster is attempting to solve.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive relationships between accelerations using equations of constraint but questions their correctness after obtaining a different result than the textbook. Participants suggest focusing on consistent sign conventions and the implications of arbitrary assumptions regarding direction.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on maintaining a consistent sign convention and reassured the original poster about the correctness of the textbook answer. The discussion reflects a mix of interpretations regarding the setup of the problem and the assumptions made about direction.

Contextual Notes

The original poster expresses frustration over repeated incorrect answers and seeks verification of their approach, indicating a potential lack of clarity in understanding the problem setup and the role of sign conventions in their calculations.

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I am in second year engineering and am trying very hard in this course. I just started doing problems regarding simple kinetics this morning and I am getting a lot of wrong answers. Originally I just claimed to myself that I had made simple math errors but understood the concepts. The math in this question is simple enough, I have checked my math over many times with no success. I am getting kind of discouraged and was wondering if someone would be so kind to make sure I am setting up my equations correctly.

The first observation in this problem is that both T1 and T2 are unknowns since the weights are accelerating. Noting that the rope is taken to be inextensible, we get the eq's of constraint I have written below which allow for a relation between Aa and Ab to be derived as well as for Ab and Ac. I believe these to be correct as they are fairly simple.

Anyways if I solve the system at the end using a scrap piece of paper OR my calulator (tried both ways to make sure) I get Ab = -4.6ft/s^2, and according to my arbitrary selection of direction for Ab, this means 4.6ft/s^2 downward. Anyways, the solution in the book is 2.48ft/s^2 UPWARDS. I have spent a long long time checking my math, so I suppose I will admit that there must be a flaw in my technique unless the answer in the back is wrong.

I would appreciate it dearly if anyone would help me with this problem!


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Specifically question 12.19


Homework Equations



F=mA Ma=Wa/g

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The book's answer is correct.

I believe you are messing up your signs. I suggest that when finding [itex]\Sigma F_y[/itex] you always use the same sign convention. (I'd use up = +.)

When deciding upon the signs of the accelerations, just pick an arbitrary guess for the direction of a_B. I'd just assume that it is upwards with a magnitude of a_B. (If that assumption proves wrong, the answer will be negative.) Then you can use your constraint equations to find the other accelerations.
 
Okay, I will try adopting a more consistent sign convention. I suppose there is no harm in always assuming that accelerations are upward and that upwards is positive. Because yea, its really discouraging to keep getting wrong answers. Thankyou very much for verifying the answer in the back of the book, as well as giving out the tips regarding these problems. I appreciate it. :-D
 
dontdisturbmycircles said:
I suppose there is no harm in always assuming that accelerations are upward and that upwards is positive.
Picking one of the accelerations as upward is just an arbitrary assumption so you can write the equations consistently. (As you know, not all the accelerations can be upward, since the masses are constrained.) Choosing upwards as positive is a convention.
 

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