Kirchhoff's Rules: Circuit Question

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The discussion revolves around a circuit problem involving Kirchhoff's rules, specifically focusing on calculating the currents in a circuit with resistors R1, R2, and R3, valued at 3Ω, 6Ω, and 9Ω respectively, and powered by batteries of 6.0V and 12.0V.

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  • Participants discuss the formulation of equations based on Kirchhoff's laws, with attempts to express one current in terms of another. There are questions about the correctness of the equations derived and the labeling of currents and resistors.

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Participants are actively engaging in clarifying the equations and the relationships between the currents. There is a recognition of potential inconsistencies in labeling and signs, and some guidance is offered regarding the need to correct these before proceeding with solving the equations.

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There are indications of confusion stemming from the wording in the original problem statement and the representation of the circuit, which may affect the setup of the equations.

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Homework Statement


If R1 is 3Ω, R2 is 6Ω and R3 is 9Ω, what are the three currents in figure 16-4, in which the batteries are 6.0v and 12.0v?


Homework Equations


I1+I2+I3


The Attempt at a Solution



I've got three equations so far

I worked out

+6-3I1-9I2=0

and

+12-6+6I2-9I=0

For the next step I have to find I1 in terms of I2 but I'm not sure how I do that

http://puu.sh/7ZXv9.png
 
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navm1 said:

Homework Statement


If R1 is 3Ω, R2 is 6Ω and R3 is 9Ω, what are the three currents in figure 16-4, in which the batteries are 6.0v and 12.0v?

Homework Equations


I1+I2+I3

The Attempt at a Solution



I've got three equations so far

I worked out

+6-3I1-9I2=0

and

+12-6+6I2-9I=0

For the next step I have to find I1 in terms of I2 but I'm not sure how I do that

http://puu.sh/7ZXv9.png

Your subscripts are inconsistent with you equations and/or the figure.

Also, I1+I2+I3 is not an equation. Perhaps you meant I1+I2=I3
 
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SammyS said:
Your subscripts are inconsistent with you equations and/or the figure.

Also, I1+I2+I3 is not an equation. Perhaps you meant I1+I2=I3

youre right i meant to put I1+I2+I3=0 and

+12-6+6I2-9I1=0
 
navm1 said:
youre right i meant to put I1+I2+I3=0 and

+12-6+6I2-9I1=0

12 - 6 + 6I2 - 9I1 = 0 is correct.

For I1+I2+I3=0 to be correct, you should draw I3 in the opposite direction.

You need to correct the other loop equation.
 
SammyS said:
12 - 6 + 6I2 - 9I1 = 0 is correct.

For I1+I2+I3=0 to be correct, you should draw I3 in the opposite direction.

You need to correct the other loop equation.

+6-3I1-9I2=0

is wrong?

I think i was getting mixed up over some wording in my workbook. I've got

2-3I2=I1 now and i'll substitute in the third equation
 
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navm1 said:
+6-3I1-9I2=0

is wrong?
It looks wrong. Where did it spring from?

I think i was getting mixed up over some wording in my workbook. I've got

2-3I2=I1 now and i'll substitute in the third equation
Where did that spring from? If you'd explain the laws you applied to arrive at these, it would make the process of checking your steps easier, ditto for finding mistakes.

Perhaps you have some currents and/or resistors labelled differently to how you think you have?
 
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NascentOxygen said:
It looks wrong. Where did it spring from?


Where did that spring from? If you'd explain the laws you applied to arrive at these, it would make the process of checking your steps easier, ditto for finding mistakes.

Perhaps you have some currents and/or resistors labelled differently to how you think you have?

the question was "If R1 is 3Ω, R2 is 6Ω and R3 is 9Ω, what are the three currents in figure 16-4, in which the batteries are 6.0v and 12.0v?"

and here's the solution, might make it more clear to you what I am missing

http://puu.sh/80On3.jpg

http://puu.sh/80Oo1.jpg
 
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The problem we're having is that the signs and indices in your currents and/or resistors in the equations don't seem to match what we see in the picture. Your first job is to fix that. Than we can talk about how to solve the equations.
 
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