LaGrange multipliers with natural base

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The discussion revolves around the application of Lagrange multipliers to the function f(x,y,z) = e^(xy) subject to the constraint x^5 + y^5 = 64. Participants are exploring the conditions for finding maximum and minimum values of the function under the given constraint.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss dividing the equations derived from the method of Lagrange multipliers to simplify the problem. There is exploration of the implications of the constraint and the behavior of the function as variables approach certain limits.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the function's behavior, particularly regarding the existence of a minimum value. Some participants suggest that the unbounded nature of the graph may imply no minimum, while others question this assumption and discuss the conditions under which a minimum might exist.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the function approaches certain limits as variables increase, specifically mentioning the behavior as x approaches infinity. There is a consideration of cases where x or y could equal zero, which complicates the analysis.

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Homework Statement


f(x,y,z)=exy and x5+y5=64

Find Max and Min

Homework Equations


∇F = <yexy, xexy>
λ∇G = <5x4λ, 5y4λ>

The Attempt at a Solution



yexy = 5x4λ
xexy = 5y4λ
x5+y5=64

No idea where to go from here...
 
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I would start by dividing the first equation by the second.
 
Alright, dividing the first by the second, I get y/x = y4/x^4, or y=x

plugging that in, we get 2x5=64, or x=2

since x=2, y must equal 2

so one solution is e^4, and that was correct as the maximum, but I am having trouble finding the minimum.

I really appreciate the help.
 
I get y/x=(x/y)^4. Which is a little different. That should warn you to be concerned about the cases where x=0 or y=0. They don't work here. Still it's still something to think about in general. But have you sketched a graph of x^5+y^5=64? It's unbounded. You can get a greatest lower bound for exp(xy), but does it have a minimum?
 
Ok, so since the graph is unbounded, then there is no minimum?
 
No, the graph can be unbounded in general and you can have a minimum. But what happens in this case? Tell me why there isn't a minimum.
 
well, the function can approach e-infinity, or 0, correct?
 
whiteway said:
well, the function can approach e-infinity, or 0, correct?

Exactly. But only as x->infinity. There is no point where it actually reaches 0. So I would say 'no minimum'. I was sort of torn about this for a while.
 
Awesome, that makes sense. I really appreciate it. Thank you
 

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