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The discussion revolves around formulating the Lagrangian for a one-dimensional particle subjected to a restoring force described by Hooke's law, F = -kx. Participants are exploring the relationship between kinetic and potential energy in the context of Lagrangian mechanics.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to derive the potential energy from the given force and are discussing the relationship between force and potential energy. Questions about the correctness of their reasoning and the integration process are also raised.

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Some participants have provided guidance on how to derive potential energy from force, while others are questioning the assumptions made in the integration process. There is a mix of attempts to clarify concepts and correct misunderstandings, but no explicit consensus has been reached.

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Homework Statement


Write down the Lagrangian for a one-dimensional particle moving along the x-axis and subject to a force: F=-kx (with k positive). Find the Lagrange equation of motion and solve it.


Homework Equations


Lagrange: L=T-U (kinetic energy - potential energy)


The Attempt at a Solution


All i really need help with is finding the potential energy in this problem. I believe that the kinetic energy is T=(1/2)*m*x', where x' is d/dt(x). I don't understand how to get the potential energy out of that force. Please help, thank you.
 
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How do you go from potential energy to force?

Do recognizes the force equation that you have been given?
 
The force equation looks like that of a spring. But as far as I can remember, you go from potential energy to force by multiplying the force by the distance. This problem just seems weird to me.
 
heycoa said:
The force equation looks like that of a spring.

Yes. What is the potential energy for a spring?

heycoa said:
But as far as I can remember, you go from potential energy to force by multiplying the force by the distance.

No, it is the other way around, and also the infinitesimal version.

Do have a textbook that you can read?
 
heycoa said:

Homework Statement


Write down the Lagrangian for a one-dimensional particle moving along the x-axis and subject to a force: F=-kx (with k positive). Find the Lagrange equation of motion and solve it.

Homework Equations


Lagrange: L=T-U (kinetic energy - potential energy)

The Attempt at a Solution


All i really need help with is finding the potential energy in this problem. I believe that the kinetic energy is T=(1/2)*m*x', where x' is d/dt(x). I don't understand how to get the potential energy out of that force. Please help, thank you.

I'm currently working on the exact same question, and using : $$-\frac{\partial U}{\partial x} = F$$ I integrated ##F=-kx## and got : $$T= \frac{1}{2}m\dot{x}^{2},U = kx^{2}$$

Is this correct?
Is T=(1/2)mv^2 always what you substitute in for a simple kinematics question?
 
No, that's not correct. The integral of ##x## is ##\frac 12 x^2##.
 
vela said:
No, that's not correct. The integral of ##x## is ##\frac 12 x^2##.
Thank you for the correction, I was able to get the problem right :)
 

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