Lagrangian of particle moving on a sphere

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The discussion focuses on finding the optimal shape of a tunnel through the Moon to minimize travel time between two surface points under gravitational influence. The solution involves proving that the tunnel's shape is a hypercycloid, with specific parametric equations provided. The Lagrangian is established as the difference between kinetic and potential energy, and the Euler-Lagrangian equation is introduced for deriving the equations of motion. A suggestion is made to use polar coordinates to simplify the problem, emphasizing the need to set up an integral to compute travel time along an arbitrary path. The conversation highlights the importance of integrating the travel time aspect into the formulation for an effective solution.
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Homework Statement


Find the shape of a tunnel drilled through the Moon such that the travel time between two points on the surface of the Moon under the force of gravity is minimized. Assume the Moon is spherical and homogeneous.

Hint: Prove that the shape is the hypercycloid

x(θ) = (R - r)cos[(R/r)θ] + rcos[{(R-r)/R}θ]
y(θ) = (R - r)sin[(R/r)θ] - rsin[{(R-r)/R}θ]


Homework Equations


L = T - U

Euler-Lagrangian equation: ∂L/∂q = (d/dt)(∂L/∂{dq/dt})

The Attempt at a Solution


Hi, here's what I've done so far:

L = T - U
= m/2(v_x^2 + v_y^2 + v_z^2) - mgz

Suppose the moon is a sphere centered at the point a on the z (vertical) axis. Suppose particle is positioned at top of moon (i.e. (0,0,2a)

Then L = m/2(v_x^2 + v_y^2 + v_z^2) - 2mga

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But where do I go from here? Is this even correct? The hint seems to suggest I should be converting to polar coordinates at some point, but how can I do this when I don't know what z is? How do I bring the travel-in-least-time aspect into it?

Please point me in the right direction!

Thanks for any help.
 
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I haven't attempted it, but notice polar coordinates are the natural choice, as gravity acts radially

so you need to start with 2 points on the surface of the moon, separated say by an angle

You can bring the travel time into it by setting up an integral that computes the travel time for an arbitrary path, say f = r(\theta). The integrand will be the function you use in your Euler Lagrange equations, to find the function f which minimises the integral
 
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