Landau Diamagnetism Explained: Free Electron Gas

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The discussion revolves around the Hamiltonian of a free electron gas in the presence of a magnetic field, specifically addressing the absence of a spin-magnetic field interaction term. Participants explore the implications of this omission and its relation to Landau diamagnetism and other magnetic behaviors.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the Hamiltonian does not include a spin-magnetic field interaction term, suggesting it may be due to its small magnitude compared to kinetic energy terms.
  • Another participant argues that any spin-magnetic interaction would align magnetic moments with the field, leading to paramagnetic behavior, which is overshadowed by the diamagnetic response of free electron orbits.
  • A later reply reiterates the question about the absence of the spin-magnetic field term, proposing that it is indeed small relative to kinetic energy.
  • One participant mentions that the omission is a simplification to explain Landau diamagnetism and notes that a complete Hamiltonian would include the electron spin magnetic moment interacting with the magnetic field, which leads to Pauli paramagnetism.
  • Another participant highlights that there is also a kinetic energy term in the direction parallel to the applied field that should be considered.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance and implications of the spin-magnetic field interaction term in the Hamiltonian. There is no consensus on whether its omission is justified or what the complete Hamiltonian should include.

Contextual Notes

Some participants acknowledge that the discussion simplifies complex phenomena, such as the de Haas-Van Alphen oscillations and the relationship between diamagnetism and paramagnetism, without fully resolving these complexities.

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Hi, in the case of free electrons gas under the effect of a magnetic field. The hamiltonian of an electron doesn't contain a term of Spin-Magnetic field interaction this means that it contains just the kinetic energy terms. Why is that ?
 
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Any spin magnetic interaction would tend to align the magnetic moments with the magnetic field and cause paramagnetic type behavior. Apparently the thermal (kinetic energy effects) make this effect much smaller than the diamagnetism part. This one I like to look at as a LeChatlier type response: The system (free electrons) in equilibrium will respond in such a manner as to try reduce any change (the applied magnetic field) to the system. The diamagnetic response from the free electron orbits behaves as expected. Paramagnetism and ferromagnetism seem to be exceptions to LeChatlier's principle.
 
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Thanks sir for your responce, but what I want to know why the term of spin-magnetic field interaction doesn't appear in the hamiltonian of the electron. is it because it is so small in front of the kinetic energy for example ?
 
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Thanks sir for your responce, but what I want to know why the term of spin-magnetic field interaction doesn't appear in the hamiltonian of the electron. is it because it is so small in front of the kinetic energy for example ?
The answer is apparently. A more complete approach will also explain the deHaas-Van Alphen oscillations. (The diamagnetic susceptibily oscillates as a function of applied field ## H ##.) I am no expert on the subject of diamagnetism, but I have seen it in a couple of courses that I took.
 
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chikou24i said:
Hi, in the case of free electrons gas under the effect of a magnetic field. The hamiltonian of an electron doesn't contain a term of Spin-Magnetic field interaction this means that it contains just the kinetic energy terms. Why is that ?
I suppose this is a simplification to explain some special feature, but without you giving us some reference for your claim it is hard to say.
 
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Yes, this is a simplification to explain just one effect: Landau diamagnetism. The complete Hamiltonian has to include electron spin magnetic moment times applied magnetic field term. This is giving Pauli paramagnetism. There is also a term due to the kinetic energy in the direction parallel to the applied field.
 

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