Laplace transform with heavyside step function

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The discussion revolves around solving a second-order ordinary differential equation (ODE) involving a Heaviside step function. The original poster seeks clarification on the manipulation of terms in the equation, particularly regarding the treatment of the variable 't' in the context of the Laplace transform.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the necessity of changing 't' to 't-1' in the equation and question the arithmetic involved in the transformation of terms. There is a focus on ensuring the integrity of the original equation while applying the Laplace transform.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively questioning the validity of certain transformations and arithmetic steps. Some guidance has been provided regarding the implications of changing 't' to 't-1', and there is recognition of the importance of maintaining the original equation's structure.

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There is an emphasis on ensuring that the terms are correctly expanded and that the manipulations do not alter the original equation's meaning. The discussion reflects a careful consideration of the mathematical properties involved in the Laplace transform.

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Homework Statement



I need to solve the ODE y''-y = t - tH(t-1); y(0)=y'(0)=0

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I'm fine with the process of solving the ODE, but I need a little help regarding the first t. From what I understand from lectures, all of the 't' terms need to be in the form of (t-a). So I've done:

y''-y = (t-1) - (t-1)H(t-1)+H(t-1)
L{y''-y} = L{t-1} - L{(t-1)H(t-1)} + L{H{t-1)}

I just wanted to check that it's correct to change the first 't' into (t-1) and then treat the RHS as:

L{y''-y} = L{t} - L{1} - L{(t-1)H(t-1)} + L{H{t-1)}

Thanks :)
Fiona
 
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Why change the first t to t-1? And you need to check your arithmetic because if you expand (t-1) - (t-1)H(t-1)+H(t-1) back out I don't think you get the t - tH(t-1) you started with.
 
Actually, that's what I want to know; whether or not I need to change the first t to t-1... Are you suggesting that I don't need to change this first t?

For the second half, my full working was:

tH(t-1) = [(t-1)+1]H(t-1) --> expand...
= (t-1)H(t-1) + H(t-1)

This is the same process used by our lecturer.
 
LCKurtz said:
Why change the first t to t-1? And you need to check your arithmetic because if you expand (t-1) - (t-1)H(t-1)+H(t-1) back out I don't think you get the t - tH(t-1) you started with.

fiona.young said:
Actually, that's what I want to know; whether or not I need to change the first t to t-1... Are you suggesting that I don't need to change this first t?

Yes. You can calculate the transform of t can't you?

For the second half, my full working was:

tH(t-1) = [(t-1)+1]H(t-1) --> expand...
= (t-1)H(t-1) + H(t-1)

This is the same process used by our lecturer.

That step is OK. I was just saying t - tH(t-1) isn't equal to (t-1) - (t-1)H(t-1)+H(t-1), which it isn't.
 
Oh, I understand! If I change the first t to t-1, it changes the equation completely. So I just leave it as is and calculate its Laplace transform as 1/s^2, and continue from there, correct?
 
fiona.young said:
Oh, I understand! If I change the first t to t-1, it changes the equation completely. So I just leave it as is and calculate its Laplace transform as 1/s^2, and continue from there, correct?

Yes. Just be careful with your signs.
 
Thanks for helping me see that silly mistake - very helpful :)
 

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