Laplace Transfrom to Solve ODE Help

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The discussion revolves around the application of Laplace transforms to solve ordinary differential equations (ODEs), specifically focusing on terms with non-constant coefficients. The original poster expresses uncertainty about handling a specific term in their problem, which involves a product of a variable and a derivative.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the challenges of applying Laplace transforms to terms with non-constant coefficients, particularly the term 2ty'. There are attempts to use integration by parts, with varying levels of confidence in their correctness. Questions arise about the transforms of specific functions and the implications of treating certain variables as constants.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the transforms related to the term in question. Some participants have provided insights into the relationships between different transforms, while others are still clarifying their understanding of the integration process. No consensus has been reached, but there are productive exchanges regarding the derivation of transforms.

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Participants note that they have not covered certain aspects of Laplace transforms in their coursework, which may limit their ability to address the problem fully. There is also mention of potential pitfalls in the integration process, highlighting the complexity of the topic.

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Hi, so we just started learning about Laplace transforms yesterday, and I have a problem which I am not sure what to do:
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My question is about the second term, if it was a constant coefficient I could do this fine, but none of the 2 examples we did in class for solving ODEs with Laplace transforms involved non-constant coefficients...so I'm not sure how to deal with that term, I tried something with integration by parts, but that didn't work..and I don't suppose I can just pretend t is constant and bring it outside the Laplacian.

Can someone tell me how I am suppose to deal with the 2ty' term please?

Thanks!
 
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You should have a list of transforms (assuming you don't want to derive the transform from scratch, which...isn't hard, but it's integration by parts which is eww).

Do you know the transform of y' in terms of the transform of y?
Do you know the transform of tf in terms of the transform of f?

[edit] Sorry, I only skimmed your post. Bad me. Integration by parts should work! Be careful though. Minus signs and stuff arghh.
 
Yes I know the transform of y' in terms of the transform of y, but I don't know the transform of tf in terms of the transforms of f, we didn't get to that...that would help. I'm not sure I did the integration by parts right, I'll try again.
 
Ok well I have derived that L(ty)=t*L(y)-integral(L(y))...but I'm not sure that helps.

Would the integral of L(y)dt just be t*L(y)? since L(y) is not a function of t?
 
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mmmboh said:
Ok well I have derived that L(ty)=t*L(y)-integral(L(y))...but I'm not sure that helps.

Would the integral of L(y)dt just be t*L(y)? since L(y) is not a function of t?
Hmm, that looks backward.

[tex]L[ty] = \int_0^\infty ty e^{-st}dt = \int_0^\infty \left(-\frac{\partial}{\partial s}\right)ye^{-st}dt = -\frac{\partial}{\partial s} \int_0^\infty ye^{-st}dt[/tex]
 

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