Laplace's equation when there is a point dipole

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The discussion revolves around the application of Laplace's equation in the context of a point dipole, particularly addressing the confusion regarding the necessity of Poisson's equation due to the presence of a dipole moment. Participants explore the implications of charge density and potential in this scenario.

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  • Some participants attempt to reconcile the use of Laplace's equation despite the presence of a dipole, questioning whether the charge density being zero everywhere is valid. Others suggest that the dipole can be treated as a boundary condition for the potential that satisfies Laplace's equation outside the dipole's location.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the nature of charge distributions and their singularities. There is a recognition of the complexities involved in treating point dipoles and the implications for the governing equations, though no consensus has been reached.

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Participants note that the charge distribution is not zero everywhere, specifically highlighting the singularity at the dipole's location. The discussion also references the Dirac distribution in relation to point charges and dipoles.

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Homework Statement
A point dipole p is imbedded at the center of a sphere of linear
dielectric material (with radius R and dielectric constant r). Find the electric potential inside and outside the sphere.
Relevant Equations
Laplace's equation
I know the solution already, yet I don't understand why I'm able to solve laplace's equation when the volume has a point dipole within; I thought this required Poisson's eauation, which I have no experience in solving. Here is the relevant part of the solution
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Well Poisson's equation, \nabla^2 \phi = \rho, reduces to Laplace's equation ## \nabla^2 \phi = 0 ## at any point where the charge distribution is zero. Since the only charge in your problem iis at the origin, your potential satisfies Laplace's equation everywhere except at ##r=0##, which is what your posted solution is doing. Except your solution is also matching the small-r dependence with the potential of a dipole. You can think of it as treating the dipole as a boundary condition for the potential which satisfies Laplace's equation for ##r>0##.
 
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I think there is an inherent contradiction whenever we use a point dipole in a problem, because we say that the charge density ##\rho=0## everywhere, yet there is net dipole moment ##p\neq 0## where as ##p=\int\rho (\mathbf{r'}) (\mathbf{r-r'})d^3\mathbf{r'}## should be zero. If we say that the charge density isn't zero everywhere then we would have to solve Poisson's equation and not Laplace's equation.
 
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Of course, the charge distribution is not ##0## everywhere. It rather has a singularity at the location of the dipole.

It's well worth to consider this in some detail. So let's start from the somewhat simpler problem of point charge, which we put in the origin of our coordinate system. Also there ##\rho(\vec{r})=0## everywhere except at ##\vec{r}=0##, where the charge density must be singular. Formally that's written in terms of the Dirac distribution (where "distribution" here means "generalized function"), i.e.,
$$\rho(\vec{r})=q \delta^{(3)}(\vec{r}).$$
Now consider a dipole. Intuitively you can think about it as having two charges ##q## and ##-q##. Let's put the negative one at ##\vec{r}=0## and the positive one at some place ##\vec{d}##. Then the charge distribution is
$$\rho(\vec{r}) = q [\delta(\vec{r}-\vec{d})-\delta(\vec{r})]=-q \vec{d} \cdot \vec{\nabla} \delta(\vec{r}) + \mathcal{O}(q |\vec{d}|^2).$$
Now we consider the limit ##|\vec{d}| \rightarrow 0## such that ##\vec{p} =q \vec{d}=\text{const}##. Then the contributions to higher order vanish, and you get
$$\rho(\vec{r})=-\vec{p} \cdot \vec{\nabla} \delta^{(3)}(\vec{r}).$$
The electrostatic potential becomes
$$\Phi(\vec{r})=\int_{\mathbb{R}^3} \mathrm{d}^3 r' \frac{\rho(\vec{r}')}{4 \pi \epsilon_0 |\vec{r}-\vec{r}'|} =- \int_{\mathbb{R}^3} \frac{1}{4 \pi |\vec{r}-\vec{r}'|} \vec{p} \cdot \vec{\nabla}' \delta^{(3)}(\vec{r}').$$
Integration by parts gives [EDIT: corrected in view of #5]
$$\Phi(\vec{r})=+ \frac{1}{4 \pi \epsilon_0} \int_{\mathbb{R}^3} \mathrm{d}^3 r' \vec{p} \delta^{(3)}(\vec{r}') \cdot \vec{\nabla}' \frac{1}{|\vec{r}-\vec{r}'|} =\frac{\vec{p} \cdot \vec{r}}{4 \pi \epsilon_0 r^3},$$
i.e., the dipole field.

So you get
$$\Delta \frac{\vec{p} \cdot \vec{r}}{4 \pi \epsilon_0 r^3}=-\frac{1}{\epsilon}_0 \rho(\vec{r})=\frac{1}{\epsilon_0} \vec{p} \cdot \vec{\nabla} \delta^{(3)}(\vec{r}).$$
 
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vanhees71 said:
Of course, the charge distribution is not ##0## everywhere. It rather has a singularity at the location of the dipole.

It's well worth to consider this in some detail. So let's start from the somewhat simpler problem of point charge, which we put in the origin of our coordinate system. Also there ##\rho(\vec{r})=0## everywhere except at ##\vec{r}=0##, where the charge density must be singular. Formally that's written in terms of the Dirac distribution (where "distribution" here means "generalized function"), i.e.,
$$\rho(\vec{r})=q \delta^{(3)}(\vec{r}).$$
Now consider a dipole. Intuitively you can think about it as having two charges ##q## and ##-q##. Let's put the negative one at ##\vec{r}=0## and the positive one at some place ##\vec{d}##. Then the charge distribution is
$$\rho(\vec{r}) = q [\delta(\vec{r}-\vec{d})-\delta(\vec{r})]=-q \vec{d} \cdot \vec{\nabla} \delta(\vec{r}) + \mathcal{O}(q |\vec{d}|^2).$$
Now we consider the limit ##|\vec{d}| \rightarrow 0## such that ##\vec{p} =q \vec{d}=\text{const}##. Then the contributions to higher order vanish, and you get
$$\rho(\vec{r})=-\vec{p} \cdot \vec{\nabla} \delta^{(3)}(\vec{r}).$$
The electrostatic potential becomes
$$\Phi(\vec{r})=\int_{\mathbb{R}^3} \mathrm{d}^3 r' \frac{\rho(\vec{r}')}{4 \pi \epsilon_0 |\vec{r}-\vec{r}'|} =- \int_{\mathbb{R}^3} \frac{1}{4 \pi |\vec{r}-\vec{r}'|} \vec{p} \cdot \vec{\nabla}' \delta^{(3)}(\vec{r}').$$
Integration by parts gives
$$\Phi(\vec{r})=+ \frac{1}{4 \pi \epsilon_0} \int_{\mathbb{R}^3} \mathrm{d}^3 r' \vec{p} \cdot \vec{\nabla}' \frac{1}{|\vec{r}-\vec{r}'|} =\frac{\vec{p} \cdot \vec{r}}{|4 \pi \epsilon_0 r^3},$$
i.e., the dipole field.

So you get
$$\Delta \frac{\vec{p} \cdot \vec{r}}{4 \pi \epsilon_0 r^3}=-\frac{1}{\epsilon}_0 \rho(\vec{r})=\frac{1}{\epsilon_0} \vec{p} \cdot \vec{\nabla} \delta^{(3)}(\vec{r}).$$
Thanks for saving me 20 minites of typing on the phone! 😁

Edit: Missing a delta distribution in the integral after partial integration though.
 
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