LC circuit -- Calculate the work done

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The problem involves an oscillating LC circuit consisting of a parallel-plate capacitor and an inductance coil. The scenario describes the process of separating the capacitor plates to increase the oscillation frequency and seeks to determine the work done during this process.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the average force exerted by the capacitor plates and the work done during their separation. There are questions regarding the conservation of charge and the implications of varying force during the process. Some participants suggest using a variable for the distance between the plates for clarity.

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Several participants have engaged with the problem, providing insights into the calculations and assumptions involved. There is acknowledgment of the complexities related to the conservation of charge and the constancy of the average force. Some participants have reported deriving expressions for the work done, while others have indicated confusion regarding specific integration steps.

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There is a mention of a logarithmic term arising during integration, which may indicate a need for further clarification on the integration process. Additionally, a suggestion has been made to start a new thread for unrelated questions, highlighting the age of the current discussion.

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1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
In an oscillating circuit consisting of of a parallel-plate capacitor and an inductance coil with negligible active resistance the oscillations with energy ##W## are sustained. The capacitor plates were slowly drawn apart to increase the scillation frequency ##\eta##-fold. What work was done in the process?

Homework Equations


##C = \frac{\epsilon_0 \cdot S}{d}##
##C'=\frac{\epsilon_0 \cdot S}{\eta^2 d} ##

The Attempt at a Solution


So ohm's law is written like this: (before the stretching of the capacitor)

##L \cdot \ddot{q} = -\frac{q}{C}##
This implies:
##\omega^2=\frac{1}{LC}##
##q_{(t)}=q_m \cdot sin(\omega t)##

The electrostatic force exerted by one plate on the other is:

## F = E_{(t)} \cdot q_{(t)} ##
## E_{(t)} = \frac{\sigma}{2\epsilon_0} = \frac{q_{(t)}}{2\epsilon_0S} ## ##\Bigg\} ## ##F = \frac{q_{(t)}^2}{2\epsilon_0S}=\frac{q_m^2 \cdot sin(\omega t)^2}{2\epsilon_0S}##

Because the streching of the capacitor happened slowly it means that we can consider the average force over one period:

##\bar{F}=\frac{q_m^2}{4\epsilon_0S}##
So , the work done is then:
## \Delta W= \bar{F}\cdot d\cdot (\eta^2-1) = \frac{q_m^2d}{4\epsilon_0S} \cdot (\eta^2-1)##

Now,
##W=\frac{q_m^2}{2C}=\frac{q_m^2d}{2\epsilon_0S}##

From here results that :
##\Delta W= \frac{W}{2} \cdot (\eta^2-1)##

This formula implies that the initial charge ##q_m## is not conserved. Is it ok? It looked odd to me...
 
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RingNebula57 said:
##\bar{F}=\frac{q_m^2}{4\epsilon_0S}##
I believe this is correct.

So , the work done is then:
## \Delta W= \bar{F}\cdot d\cdot (\eta^2-1) = \frac{q_m^2d}{4\epsilon_0S} \cdot (\eta^2-1)##
This assumes that ##\bar{F}## remains constant while the plates are separated. But as you found, ##q_m## is not conserved. So, the average force is not constant.

Now,
##W=\frac{q_m^2}{2C}=\frac{q_m^2d}{2\epsilon_0S}##
Yes

For notational convenience, I suggest letting ##x## stand for the distance between the plates. Consider the work done by the average applied force for an infinitesimal increase in separation, ##dx##.
 
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TSny said:
I believe this is correct.

This assumes that ##\bar{F}## remains constant while the plates are separated. But as you found, ##q_m## is not conserved. So, the average force is not constant.

Yes

For notational convenience, I suggest letting ##x## stand for the distance between the plates. Consider the work done by the average applied force for an infinitesimal increase in separation, ##dx##.
Thank you!

I solved it. Obtaining that :

##\Delta W = W \cdot (\eta-1)##
 
RingNebula57 said:
I solved it. Obtaining that :

##\Delta W = W \cdot (\eta-1)##
Looks good!
 
RingNebula57 said:
Thank you!

I solved it. Obtaining that :

##\Delta W = W \cdot (\eta-1)##
Please help me with the solution...as I am g
etting a logarithmic term while integration of 1/x
 
Anubhav said:
Please help me with the solution...as I am g
etting a logarithmic term while integration of 1/x
Please start a new thread with your question. This thread here is 5 years old. Thank you.
 

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