Leaner question : what is the purpose of this diode in the diagram?

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The discussion centers around the function of a diode in a relay circuit, specifically its role in managing the effects of back electromotive force (back emf) generated when the relay coil is de-energized. Participants explore the theoretical and practical implications of using a diode in this context, including its protective function for transistors and the characteristics of the current flow in the circuit.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the diode protects the circuit by providing a low resistance path for the current generated when the relay coil's magnetic field collapses, preventing damage to the transistor.
  • Others mention that the diode is referred to as a freewheeling or flyback diode, used in circuits with switches controlling large power currents to safely dissipate high voltage spikes.
  • One participant questions the direction of current flow related to back emf, suggesting that it may induce a current in the same direction as when the coil was energized, leading to confusion about the voltage polarity and the diode's orientation.
  • Another participant notes that the diode and coil create an L/C circuit with a long time constant for discharging, indicating that in some cases, a resistor may be needed to shorten this time constant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying interpretations of the back emf phenomenon and its implications for current flow direction. There is no consensus on the exact nature of back emf and its representation in the circuit, indicating ongoing debate and uncertainty.

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Some participants reference different textbooks and sources, suggesting that definitions and explanations may vary. The discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of the diode and coil that are not universally agreed upon.

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Hello experts, :!)

The following is a diagram posted by a learned forummer and i like to find out what function does the diode serve for the coil of the relay.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/46348930@N03/4400589307/


Thanks for reading my question.

regards
Ramone
 
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Hello ramone,
When the relay circuit is switched off the magnetic field collapses and the energy it stored is dumped back into the circuit.There is a momentary high voltage and this can result in a high current that will zap the transistor.The diode protects against this by providing a low resistance path for the current to flow through.I am no expert and my memories of this are vague but if I am wrong I know others will come into better inform.
 
Depending on which textbook you read, it's called a freewheeling diode or a flyback diode. It's used for electromechanical relays and also for solid state switches too. Basically, any place in your circuit which has a switch that controls a large power current should include a freewheeling diode. Like Dadface said, it gives the circuit a safe path to drain the energy from high voltage spikes that occur during switch transitions.
 
Dadface said:
Hello ramone,
When the relay circuit is switched off the magnetic field collapses and the energy it stored is dumped back into the circuit.There is a momentary high voltage and this can result in a high current that will zap the transistor.The diode protects against this by providing a low resistance path for the current to flow through.I am no expert and my memories of this are vague but if I am wrong I know others will come into better inform.

Hi Dadface,
Am i right to say that when the coil is not powered, the coil will still have a voltage that generates a current in the same direction, that is running from the collector of the transistor to the emitter? Current cannot flow from emitter to the collector for NPN right?

Is the voltage called the back emf?

sincerely
Ramone :)
 
Okefenokee said:
Depending on which textbook you read, it's called a freewheeling diode or a flyback diode. It's used for electromechanical relays and also for solid state switches too. Basically, any place in your circuit which has a switch that controls a large power current should include a freewheeling diode. Like Dadface said, it gives the circuit a safe path to drain the energy from high voltage spikes that occur during switch transitions.

Hi Okefenokee,
I have a circuit using 2 dpdt relays (used in bi-direction switching) that seems like not switching properly. Should i put a diode similarly for both the relays?

regards
Ramone :)
 
Dadface said:
Hello ramone,
When the relay circuit is switched off the magnetic field collapses and the energy it stored is dumped back into the circuit.There is a momentary high voltage and this can result in a high current that will zap the transistor.The diode protects against this by providing a low resistance path for the current to flow through.I am no expert and my memories of this are vague but if I am wrong I know others will come into better inform.
The diode and coil provide a L/C circuit with a fairly long L/R time constant for the coil to discharge when the coil current is interrupted. In some applications, this time constant may be too long. For a shorter time constant, put a resistor in series with the diode.

Bob S
 
Dear experts, I am confused by back emf in terms of the current flow direction.
I have seen on the net that oscilloscopes show back emf is really negative voltage across the coils. At the same time, i read somewhere that the coil when its magnetism collapsed will actually sort of induce a current to force its way through the coil in the same direction as when the coil was energised.

So, can i assume that back emf can be visualised as the coil having a voltage with reversed polarity which is why the diode is in that orientation to short-circuit (flyback) the current in the loop containing the coil and the diode preventing the transistor from being zapped by the very high voltage, back emf?
 

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