Length Contraction: Light & Spaceships

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of length contraction in the context of special relativity, particularly in relation to light clocks and their orientation relative to the direction of motion. Participants explore examples and explanations that illustrate this phenomenon.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the explanation of length contraction, specifically asking if there is an example involving a light beam and a spaceship similar to the light clock used for time dilation.
  • Another participant suggests using a light clock oriented longitudinally to the direction of motion to explain length contraction, proposing that one tick of this clock should have the same duration as that of a transverse clock.
  • A third participant expresses understanding of time dilation and acknowledges the complexity of the concepts involved.
  • One participant discusses the reciprocal nature of time dilation in special relativity, contrasting it with gravitational time dilation in general relativity, which is not reciprocal.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion includes multiple viewpoints on the explanation of length contraction, with no consensus reached on a definitive example or understanding. Participants express varying levels of comprehension and curiosity about the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific orientations of light clocks and the implications of relative motion, but there are no settled definitions or resolutions regarding the examples discussed.

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I understand the explanation for time dilation involving the light clock on the spaceship, or a train. But what is used to explain length contraction. Is there another example that is used involving a light beam and a spaceship.
 
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Forestman said:
I understand the explanation for time dilation involving the light clock on the spaceship, or a train. But what is used to explain length contraction. Is there another example that is used involving a light beam and a spaceship.

The first situation used a light clock oriented transverse (perpendicular) to the direction of relative motion to reveal time dilation.

Now, use a light clock oriented longitudinally (parallel) to the direction of relative motion... and require that one tick of this clock has the same duration as that of the first clock.

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Thanks robphy. I think I understand it now.
 
Well if you understand time dilation you are doing well, very well, indeed. I came across this recently and while I believe it's correct, it sure is interesting...anybody like to explain it?


In special relativity, the time dilation effect is reciprocal: as observed from the point of view of any two clocks which are in motion with respect to each other, it will be the other party's clock that is time dilated. (This presumes that the relative motion of both parties is uniform; that is, they do not accelerate with respect to one another during the course of the observations.)

In contrast, gravitational time dilation (as treated in general relativity) is not reciprocal: an observer at the top of a tower will observe that clocks at ground level tick slower, and observers on the ground will agree. Thus gravitational time dilation is agreed upon by all observers, independent of their altitude.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation
 

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