Length of Curve with Parametric Equations x=cost and y=sint in the xy-plane

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The discussion revolves around finding the length of a curve defined by the parametric equations x = cos(t) and y = sin(t) for the interval 0 ≤ t ≤ π. Participants are exploring the relationship between the parametric equations and the concept of arc length.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to differentiate between area and arc length, with some suggesting the use of an integral for arc length. There are also mentions of plotting points to visualize the curve.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of different methods to approach the problem, including the use of integrals and the potential for simpler solutions. Some participants provide hints and guidance without reaching a consensus on the best approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original poster's approach may have conflated area with length, and there is a suggestion to derive the necessary derivatives for the integral. The discussion includes varying opinions on the complexity of the integral versus simpler methods.

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Homework Statement


In the xy-plane, the curve with parametric equations x=cost and y=sint, 0<=t=<pi, has what length?

The Attempt at a Solution



I drew the graphs x=cost and y=sint and shaded the area where the graphs intersect between 0 and pi. I don't know where to go from here.
 
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You should have one graph, with (x, y) coordinates, where both x and y depend on t. That's what parametric equations are about. Try plotting about 10 points and see what you get.
 
fk378 said:

Homework Statement


In the xy-plane, the curve with parametric equations x=cost and y=sint, 0<=t=<pi, has what length?

The Attempt at a Solution



I drew the graphs x=cost and y=sint and shaded the area where the graphs intersect between 0 and pi. I don't know where to go from here.

The fact that you shaded in an area indicates that you are thinking in terms of area, not length along the curve that was suggested to you. You should have an equation for arc length to work with. Try this one:

[tex]S = \int_0 ^ \pi \sqrt{ dx^2 + dy^2} dt[/tex]

Now it's up to you to figure out dx and dy. I think you'll find the answer is very simple.
 
AEM said:
The fact that you shaded in an area indicates that you are thinking in terms of area, not length along the curve that was suggested to you. You should have an equation for arc length to work with. Try this one:

[tex]S = \int_0 ^ \pi \sqrt{ dx^2 + dy^2} dt[/tex]

Now it's up to you to figure out dx and dy. I think you'll find the answer is very simple.

I think you mean sqrt((dx/dt)^2+(dy/dt)^2) for the integrand. But otherwise, good advice.
 
Dick said:
I think you mean sqrt((dx/dt)^2+(dy/dt)^2) for the integrand. But otherwise, good advice.

All well and good, but the parametric curve of this problem is simple enough that its length can be obtained without resorting to an integral.
 
Yeah, sure. But the integral is SO EASY. It's not that much easier to remember the formula than to just derive it, if you are doing calculus. It's that easy. Certainly easier than plotting out 10 points.
 
Hint: (Zcos t, Zsin t) where Z is a some arbitrary constant(in the set +R) represents a circle. In your case, substitute Z=1, 0<t<pi.
 

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