Parametric -> Implicit Equations

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The discussion revolves around finding an implicit equation from a given parametric curve defined by the equations x = 2sin(t) and y = sin(2t), where t is a real number. Participants are exploring the relationship between the parametric and implicit forms of the equations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to derive an implicit equation from the parametric definitions and are questioning the validity of their manipulations, particularly regarding the division by x and the implications of x being zero. There is also a focus on correcting potential typographical errors in the equations presented.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the manipulation of the equations and the implications of multiplying through by certain terms. There is an ongoing exploration of how to derive the implicit equation without dividing by x, and multiple interpretations of the parametric equations are being discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants are aware of the constraints related to the value of x and are questioning the assumptions made in their calculations. There is a recognition that the original equations allow for x to be zero, which complicates the derivation process.

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Hi guys,

I have done what I can with the following:

Given a parametric curve x = xsint, y = sin(2t) where t is in R.

Find an implicit equation of this curve.

MY ANSWER:
y = 2costsint = costx

Therefore sint = x/2, cost = y/x

sin^2(t) + cos^2(t) = x^2 / 4 + y^2 / x^2 = 1

Would this be right?
I understand that x != 0 but why can't I just multiply every value underlined by 4x^2?

Thank you, any input is appreciated!
 
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JC3187 said:
Hi guys,

I have done what I can with the following:

Given a parametric curve x = xsint, y - sin(2t) where t is in R.



Please correct the typo's so we know what the actual equations are.
 
JC3187 said:
Hi guys,

I have done what I can with the following:

Given a parametric curve x = xsint, y - sin(2t) where t is in R.

I will assume, from your work below, that the equations are ##x=2\sin t,~y=\sin(2t)##

Find an implicit equation of this curve.
MY ANSWER:
y = 2costsint = costx

Therefore sint = x/2, cost = y/x

sin^2(t) + cos^2(t) = x^2 / 4 + y^2 / x^2 = 1

Would this be right?
I understand that x != 0 but why can't I just multiply every value underlined by 4x^2?

Thank you, any input is appreciated!

Yes, you can multiply through by ##4x^2##. The original equations certainly allow ##x=0## and the only problem is that you divided by ##x## in your solution. You could have derived the same equation as you get when you multiply through by ##4x^2## without ever dividing by ##x##. So you should give the answer as $$
4x^2 = 4y^2+x^4$$or some variation of that.
 
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JC3187 said:
Hi guys,

I have done what I can with the following:

Given a parametric curve x = xsint, y - sin(2t) where t is in R.

Find an implicit equation of this curve.

MY ANSWER:
y = 2costsint = costx

Therefore sint = x/2, cost = y/x

sin^2(t) + cos^2(t) = x^2 / 4 + y^2 / x^2 = 1

Would this be right?
I understand that x != 0 but why can't I just multiply every value underlined by 4x^2?

Thank you, any input is appreciated!
Do you mean
x = sin(t)

and

y = sin(2t)

?​
 
Yes sorry That is what I meant.

How do you derive it from the original equation?
x=2sint, y=sin(2t) without dividing by x?
 
JC3187 said:
Yes sorry That is what I meant.

How do you derive it from the original equation?
x=2sint, y=sin(2t) without dividing by x?

$$x^2+y^2=4\sin^2 t + (2\sin t\cos t)^2=4\sin^2t(1+\cos^2 t)
=4\sin^2 t(2-\sin^2 t) = x^2(2-\frac{x^2} 4) = \frac{x^2(8-x^2)}{4}$$
 
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