Less notorious, but still important numbers

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the significance of various lesser-known mathematical constants and numbers, exploring their importance in mathematics and physics. Participants share a range of numbers that they believe deserve more recognition, discussing their properties and potential applications.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants highlight the golden mean as a number with physical significance recognized in nature.
  • Others propose several constants, including e^pi, pi^e, Euler's constant, Catalan's constant, and Chaitin's constant, suggesting their importance in mathematical contexts.
  • Liouville's number is mentioned as the first proven transcendental decimal fraction, with its representation provided.
  • There is a discussion about the relevance of e^pi in relation to complex numbers, with some participants questioning the significance of pi^e.
  • Several square roots, Apery's constant, Khinchin-Levy constants, and Madelung's constant are also proposed as important numbers.
  • Avogadro's constant and the fine structure constant are introduced as significant in scientific contexts.
  • One participant shares an ongoing effort to prove the irrationality of pi^e, detailing their approach and seeking input on the challenge.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present a variety of numbers and their significance, but there is no consensus on which numbers are the most important or why. The discussion remains open-ended with multiple competing views and ongoing inquiries.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about the significance of certain numbers depend on specific mathematical or physical contexts, and the discussion includes unresolved questions about the properties of these numbers, particularly regarding pi^e.

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Everybody knows about pi and e. They are important numbers. They are famous for having the importance they do.

But there are others, such as the golden mean, which are only semi-famous, but have loads of physical significance, perhaps recognized in nature.

Other important numbers, which have mathematical significance, which have not received their due recognition, should be belaureled in this thread. The number does not have to be transcendental, but should not be an integer or a simple fraction.

Jerry Abbott
 
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1>e^pi and pi^e :-p
2>Euler's constant , or gamma
3>Catalan's constant
4>Chaitin's constant
5>Feigenbaum's numbers

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Liouville's number proven transcendental in 1850, and the first such decimal fraction number proven transcendental.

\sum_{n=1...\infty}(10)^{-n!} =.110001...
 
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TenaliRaman said:
1>e^pi and pi^e :-p

Why should they be important? Specially, what does it matter about e^pi (and by the way, e^(1/pi) )
 
arivero said:
Why should they be important? Specially, what does it matter about e^pi (and by the way, e^(1/pi) )

Well, e^pi is used when dealing with complex numbers. I can't think of a use for pi^e offhand, but I'm sure there is a good one somewhere.
 
Well, e^pi is used when dealing with complex numbers.

That's e^(i * pi).
 
I think 0 is a very important number.
 
e^(i*pi)+1=0
has e,i,pi,1, and 0 in it.
Aaron
 
1. sqrt(2), sqrt(3), sqrt(5)
2. Apery's constant i.e. zeta(3), and zeta(2)
3. Khinchin-Levy constants
4. Madelung's constant (related to 3D NaCl crystal)
 
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42 is in fact the most important number, if you care about such things.
 
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Avogadro's constant 6.0221415 × 1023 mol-1
 
  • #12
The fine structure constant alpha = 0.007297351.
 
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I've been thinking about pi^e lately, and trying to prove that it is irrational. By rewriting e as 1+1+1/2+1/3!+...+1/n! I got it to pi^2*pi^(1/2)*pi^(1/3!)*...*pi^(1/n!), and proved that each of these terms is irrational. I'm stuck when it comes to showing that multiplied together these numbers are irrational. Any ideas?
 

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