LHC and constrains on heavier Higgs bosons

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the constraints on heavier Higgs bosons as inferred from LHC data, specifically focusing on decay channels such as h -> WW -> lvlv and h -> ZZ -> 4l. Participants explore how figures from relevant literature can inform their models of new Higgs scalars.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant queries how LHC data can constrain their study of new Higgs scalars, referencing specific decay channels and figures from literature.
  • Another participant explains that a figure shows constraints on the ratio of the cross section for h -> WW -> lvlv compared to the Standard Model, indicating that values below a certain line exclude specific scalar masses.
  • A clarification is made regarding the interpretation of the exclusion criteria, emphasizing that model predictions must be compared to the Standard Model to determine exclusion based on the graph.
  • There is a correction regarding the interpretation of the graph, with one participant asserting that points above the black line are excluded, while another participant questions this interpretation.
  • Further clarification is provided that the graph indicates larger values are excluded, aligning with the concept of a 95% confidence limit upper bound.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the interpretation of the exclusion criteria on the graph, specifically whether points above or below the black line are considered excluded. The discussion remains unresolved on this point.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying interpretations of the graphical data and its implications for model constraints, indicating potential misunderstandings about the representation of exclusion limits.

Safinaz
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Hi all,

I wonder if I study new Higgs scalars, How the data of the LHC for searching for heavier scalars
in h-> WW->lvlv and h -> ZZ-> 4 l channels like in [arXiv:1304.0213] can make constrain on my
study for the new Higgs?

How a figure like figure 2 can give constrains on my model free parameters ..

Bests,
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Well that figure is showing the constraints on the ratio of the cross section for h->WW->lvlv to the value predicted by the Standard Model, if the usual Higgs had each of the masses on the x axis. So anywhere the black line (observed 95% CLs limit) drops below 1 means a scalar behaving like a SM Higgs with that mass is excluded at that confidence level.

So if you have a model which predicts a new scalar that has the same couplings as a SM Higgs then you can use the plot to say what masses it is excluded for. If the production cross section and branching ratio to WW is different to a SM Higgs then it is more complicated how that plot constrains the model. It can still be done but there is more work to do figuring out how the exclusion limits need to be scaled.

edit: actually it is not so hard; once you predict the appropriate cross section in your model you divide it by the cross section according to the SM and you get a point on the y-axis on that graph, for some given boson mass. If your model point falls above the black line, it is excluded.
 
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# If your model point falls above the black line, it is excluded.

I think you mean below ?
 
Hmm, no above. Downwards means lower cross-section relative to the SM Higgs, so less detectable. The graph excludes scalars with cross section equal to the SM Higgs for this process (the red line) from something like 150 GeV to about 600 GeV.
 
As the figure captions say: "95% CL upper limit". This means that larger values are excluded, since they are above the upper limit.
 
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