Light Acceleration: Does Light Really Accelerate?

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The discussion centers around the concept of light acceleration, particularly in the context of general relativity and the bending of light near massive objects. Participants explore the implications of light's path following a null geodesic and whether this indicates acceleration.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that a change in direction of light implies that acceleration is present, suggesting that light does accelerate.
  • Others clarify that while light follows a null geodesic, it experiences no proper acceleration, and any perceived bending is due to the curvature of spacetime rather than a force acting on the light.
  • One participant emphasizes that the light is not changing direction in a conventional sense, but rather is following a straight path in curved spacetime.
  • There is a distinction made between coordinate acceleration and proper acceleration, with some participants noting that light can have coordinate acceleration while still following a geodesic.
  • Participants discuss the nature of the geometry involved, with references to pseudo-Riemannian geometry as the framework for understanding light's path in spacetime.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing views on whether light can be said to accelerate and how to interpret its path in the context of general relativity.

Contextual Notes

Participants express differing interpretations of light's behavior in curved spacetime, highlighting the complexities of defining acceleration in this context. The discussion also touches on the mathematical framework used to describe these phenomena, which may lead to varying conclusions based on definitions and assumptions.

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A beam of light bends when near a star. Since velocity is a vector, although the path still follows a null geodesic, a change in direction implies that acceleration is present. Light does then, in fact, accelerate. Is this correct ?:frown:
 
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petrushkagoogol said:
a change in direction implies that acceleration is present
Coordinate acceleration.

petrushkagoogol said:
Light does then, in fact, accelerate. Is this correct ?
It can have coordinate acceleration. Geodesic world-line corresponds to zero proper acceleration.
 
petrushkagoogol said:
A beam of light bends when near a star. Since velocity is a vector, although the path still follows a null geodesic, a change in direction implies that acceleration is present. Light does then, in fact, accelerate. Is this correct ?:frown:
No it is not correct. A geodesic is followed BECAUSE there is no force being applied to the light. The geodesic is "bent" if looked at via Euclidean geometry, which would imply a force on the light, but space-time does not follow Euclidean geometry, It follows Riemann geometry and the geodesic is a straight line implying no force.

To restate: the light is not changing direction. It is going in a straight line.

EDIT: I see AT beat me to it and gave a more complete answer.
 
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phinds said:
It follows Riemann geometry
Just to be specific:
Pseudo-Riemannian geometry. In Riemannian geometry the metric is positive definite.
 
Orodruin said:
Just to be specific:
Pseudo-Riemannian geometry. In Riemannian geometry the metric is positive definite.
OK. Thanks
 
phinds said:
To restate: the light is not changing direction. It is going in a straight line.
The spatial path of light is curved and the propagation direction does change. Only its world-line is a geodesic (locally straight).
 
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