Light Curve Space: Can Light Beams Attract?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of whether light beams, due to their energy and associated photonic mass, can gravitationally attract each other in the absence of other gravitational sources. The scope includes theoretical implications and potential applications in physics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that light beams can attract each other gravitationally, although the effect is theorized to be too small to observe in practical scenarios.
  • One participant notes that there is no attraction between beams traveling in parallel in the same direction, while attraction occurs between beams traveling in opposite directions.
  • Another participant questions the theoretical basis for the claim regarding the attraction of light beams, seeking more information on the underlying principles.
  • A participant references the Einstein stress-energy momentum tensor as the theoretical foundation for gravitational attraction.
  • One participant argues that, for practical purposes, gravitational attraction between light beams is not feasible at any perceivable level.
  • A speculative idea is presented about the possibility of creating a black hole by focusing billions of pulse laser beams at a single point, suggesting this could curve space significantly.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility and implications of gravitational attraction between light beams, with no consensus reached on the practicality or observable effects of such phenomena.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of light and gravity, and the implications of the Einstein stress-energy momentum tensor, which may not be fully explored or agreed upon by all participants.

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is energy(with photonic mass)of a light beam capable of gravitationally attracting other light beam in absence of other gravity sources..
 
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aditya23456 said:
is energy(with photonic mass)of a light beam capable of gravitationally attracting other light beam in absence of other gravity sources..

Yes, in theory, although the effect is of course too small to be observable in any known practical case. Note however that there is no attraction between beams traveling in parallel in the same direction (but there is attraction between beams traveling in opposite direction).
 
Jonathan Scott said:
Note however that there is no attraction between beams traveling in parallel in the same direction (but there is attraction between beams traveling in opposite direction).

Yea i get it that its very small in magnitude..but is there any info abt what u stated..viz same direction doesn't attract and parallel attract...is there any theory for it.?
 
The theory for it stems from the Einstein stress energy momentum tensor. It is the source of all gravity.
 
For practical purposes no, that's something that cannot happen on any perceivable level.
 
I imagine if we had billions of pulse laser beams all focused at the same point and timed so that all the photons arrived at that point simultaneously they could form a black hole without any matter being present. That would definitely curve space ;)
 

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